Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 unclevlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Was anyone aware that the Cowboys reached a settlement...for $2.4M...with 4 cheerleaders who said a senior exec filmed them, while changing, back in 2015? That was back in February. I hadn't. Mike Florio brought it up on PFT, as an example of the disparity in punishment between senior execs/owners, and players...and that's something the league would NOT want brought up in court. Because according to Florio, it was never reported to the league...and the league has never done anything. The exec is no longer with the Cowboys...but how can this NOT be a potential personal conduct violation? And it's *required* that these be reported...so there darn sure looks like a massive coverup.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Damn, news to me. Disappointing, but not horribly surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 They should have reported it but the exec was forced to resign at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Grailknight said: They should have reported it but the exec was forced to resign at least. The exec resigned 6 years after the incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/18/deshaun-watson-suspended-appeal/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 His first game back will be against Houston. I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Maybe not what we really wanted, but 2/3 of a season pretty much, a substantial fine, and the groundwork so if he doesn't behave, the league can increase it. There's that requirement to receive treatment. So if something comes out where he's doing it again, one would think the league will come down MUCH harder. And this should be it. The PA agreed, so his grounds for appeal seem to be nonexistent. NYT has an article today, about how the Texans enabled all this...and of course, they're skating completely. I have to admit, I may have to catch the introductions and/or first series, if that Browns/Texans game is available. Hopefully the fans will try to set a sound level record with the intensity of their booing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: I have to admit, I may have to catch the introductions and/or first series, if that Browns/Texans game is available. Hopefully the fans will try to set a sound level record with the intensity of their booing.... I'd rather see them set a sound level record the other way, and not show up. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 They should've fined him 2/3 of his salary from next season. $5M is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, unclevlad said: The exec resigned 6 years after the incident. Correct, but a great deal of that time was taken up by the behind the scenes legal wrangling. This wasn't a case like Watson where there were repeated incidents over time. It was a one time deal that boiled down to a 20+ year employee's word against that of the women. I am 95% sure that he was guilty but we have laws in this country concerning reasonable doubt or preponderance of evidence that we need to follow. It may not apply in this case, but too many movements sabotage worthy causes by jumping to a presumption of guilt before the fact are in. Here, legalities were followed(at an admittedly glacial pace) and the exec was out of a six figure job before he wanted to be. The league should fine the team for hiding the incident until the settlement but at least some punishment was dispensed and compensation given to the victims. Other than arguing for more money for the victims, what more can the team do beyond firing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 We'll see that if and when a similar incident happens in the same organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Pariah said: They should've fined him 2/3 of his salary from next season. $5M is a joke. That isn't the joke. The joke is the obscene contract provisions that made the fine necessary. Grailknight and Pariah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 As a side point to the above... The CBA as written, probably couldn't support what Mr. P wanted, and obviously allowed those contract terms. It wouldn't surprise me, tho, that a) language regarding contract structure like this, is adjusted in the CBA, so this dodge isn't allowed, or b) should a similar case arise...not just the incident but the contract and its timing...a MUCH larger fine should be plausible. I think the Browns were idiots with the trade, and the contract. There wasn't anything against them doing the contract like that, tho, but outside Cleveland, I daresay there's a strong majority that feels they're dirty, dirty, dirty for it. Last thought. Watson will be eligible to come back against the Texans...but how ready can he be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 There's a few of us in Cleveland who feel dirty, dirty, dirty about it at least -- but no one wants to listen to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-im-refusing-to-settle-with-nfl-star-deshaun-watson Logan D. Hurricanes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 From the article: Quote When the NFL announced Watson's punishment on Thursday, one key part of the deal was noted by Roger Goodell. "This settlement requires compliance with a professional evaluation and treatment plan," the commissioner said. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the evaluation and treatment plan will be handled by "a third-party behavioral expert" and if Watson wants to get reinstated, he'll have to comply with any recommendations made by the expert. If Watson doesn't comply, "his reinstatement could be delayed," which could lead to a suspension that lasts longer than 11 games. It's not clear what a behavioral expert will want to see from Watson, but if the quarterback is asked to show remorse, that could end up being an issue. Deshaun Watson could still be suspended more than 11 games, and here's how it could reportedly happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Cleveland can die in a fyre. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 I think anything I could say about the post above could only be made in the political thread......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 It's really amazing, I spent decades sympathizing with Cleveland and its fans and hoping that they would succeed, and that all vanished in an instant. Poof! Now I look forward to more decades of futility from them. Logan D. Hurricanes and Lee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Sam Darnold had best be putting away his windfall this year. It's the 5th year option, kicking $18M his way. He's an unrestricted free agent next year. And Baker Mayfield was named the game 1 starter for Carolina today. I daresay Darnold will hang around the league but it seems very unlikely he'll be considered as anything but a backup...or worse, just depth. 3rd string. With a SHARPLY!!! reduced salary. For those of you who are Panther fans? Better luck next year....... I absolutely don't trust Mayfield as a leader, and if he's your better choice............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Old Man said: It's really amazing, I spent decades sympathizing with Cleveland and its fans and hoping that they would succeed, and that all vanished in an instant. Poof! Now I look forward to more decades of futility from them. I'd like to see what happened to SMU in the '80s happen to the Cleveland Browns now. Never going to, of course, but I can dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Old Man said: It's really amazing, I spent decades sympathizing with Cleveland and its fans and hoping that they would succeed, and that all vanished in an instant. Poof! Now I look forward to more decades of futility from them. Welcome to the club. All that good will utterly wasted in one offseason. It just sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Pariah said: I'd like to see what happened to SMU in the '80s happen to the Cleveland Browns now. Never going to, of course, but I can dream. IMO it's REALLY hard to argue that Jimmy Haslem's actions haven't done extensive damage to the league...but he'll never be punished. Same with the Texans, from what's been reported. For those who don't remember: SMU football was completely barred from competing for 2 years due to repeated recruiting violations, and *massive* lying to investigators...including the AD and University President. IIRC from a 30 For 30 about it...no practices, no meetings, no NOTHING. Took them 20 years to get back to a bowl game. But hey, Mr. P, they didn't do it to the Bengals, when they had a BUNCH of players doing things that would draw extensive suspensions now, so they're not gonna touch Haslem. Fine with me, we ALL get a team we can hate on. And we can offer Cygnia our heartfelt condolences for being a victim of this atrocity. Pariah and Logan D. Hurricanes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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