paigeoliver Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Can anyone point me a place online where I can buy the OLD Star Hero, not the 5th edition one. I have had no problem finding just about all the other old Hero stuff, except for this, doesn't even appear to exist in the Amazon of Half.com databases, I can't seem to find a retailer stocking it either, although I admit it is difficult to search for, since it has the same name as the current product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroooo Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero One good source: http://www.nobleknight.com/ Also, check out the Hero Retailers link at the top. They list some out of print dealers. Aroooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigeoliver Posted September 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Noble Knight doesn't seem to have it. I'll just keep checking ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Here are a few other established online dealers in used games that I've had good experiences with. Between them and Noble Knight, one of them is bound to get it in eventually (although unfortunately, none of them have it now): http://www.titangames.com http://www.dragonstrove.com http://www.sentrybox.com http://www.levalet.com Frankly, though, I wouldn't recommend going out of my way to buy this book. With all due respect to the authors, it was IMHO a somewhat lackluster effort. The setting it presented was not all that original and lacked a lot of detail. Its ruleset was rather limited, being specifically tailored to the preconceptions of the setting; moreover it predates 4E HERO and doesn't integrate all that well with the unified HERO System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigeoliver Posted September 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Ok, so this is one of those items that is hard to find because it both sucks and blows. Hmm, forget it then. I'll either buy the 5th edition star hero, or just wing it. I am pretty curious to see what is in them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPheemy Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I'll wholeheartedly reccomend the FREd Star Hero. It's very comprehensive and broad-based. An excellent example of what Steve and Darren are trying to accomplish with the direction of the new edition. It reminds me in several ways of some of the better-done GURPS supplements in where a lot of the advice is rules-light. A great resource for sci-fi roleplaying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I'll wholeheartedly reccomend the FREd Star Hero. It's very comprehensive and broad-based. An excellent example of what Steve and Darren are trying to accomplish with the direction of the new edition. It reminds me in several ways of some of the better-done GURPS supplements in where a lot of the advice is rules-light. A great resource for sci-fi roleplaying. Concur! Star Hero and Fantasy Hero are two of the best "world-building" books for gamers. They far transcend their utility to just the Hero system. Keith "Shameless shill" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendsmiths Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I've got one if you really want it, but the new one is WAAAAAAY more useful. I'd recommend GURPS Space before old Star Hero. The 3rd edition Star Hero rules just aren't all that relevant anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcat1313 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero theres always the old playtest draft of Star Hero which last I looked was still on the Red October site, it had some useful if dated stuff in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I've got one if you really want it' date=' but the new one is WAAAAAAY more useful. I'd recommend GURPS Space before old Star Hero. The 3rd edition Star Hero rules just aren't all that relevant anymore.[/quote'] I've got it too. I like the miniaturization rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Star Hero was the worst of the pre-4th edition standalone games. It was poorly organized and included a starship construction system that was incompatible with either the Champions II vehicle rules or the Robot Warriors mecha design system. It's mostly rules with not much in the way of genre advice or setting info. There were a couple of good bits in it. A couple. And one of those is reprinted on Bob Greenwade's web site. (The other was a kinda neat vector movement system for Hero.) It came out only a few months before 4th edition; IMO they would have been better off waiting until after 4th edition and making it a supplement. (If I recall correctly, I picked it up after I knew the 4th edition revision was coming.) It's really only worth having for obsessive completeness' sake. Honest. The other pre-4th edition books all are worth having for their own sakes and even still potentially useful, but Star Hero isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTaber Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I totally agree with Archer. I have the 4th ed Star Hero and I do not think it is very well done. The 5th edition version is FAR FAR better. Get that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Archer hit it on the nose. I picked up the 3rd SH just as 4th was being finalized. Bleh. The 5th Ed version is so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcady Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero See also my review of Star Hero: http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/10/10547.phtml If you don't have the current version why in the world would you ever want the older stuff. The only reason to get out of print versions would be collector geek points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigeoliver Posted October 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Finally snagged one, and man I REALLY had to lay out the CASH for it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5928190611 $1 Paid $6 with shipping. As to WHY I would buy the old stuff when I don't have the current stuff it is simple. I stretch my money and old version media is 80 percent cheaper than NEW media. I buy old everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendsmiths Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero As an owner of both I think you are crazy. There's a damaged copy in the online store for $25. Now granted that's still 4-5x more than what you paid but it is 10-100x more useful. The old star hero really doesn't get you much except an adventure. But, to each his own. If it works for you, great. If anyone else is looking for a copy, let me know. I will gladly sell mine and it is near new. $10, shipping included anywhere in the continental US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero You can still find newer stuff for cheap. I got my 5th Ed Star Hero for less than half price...not quite double what you paid for the old one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero If you bought it to collect, that's a great price. If you bought it to use, man, you were ripped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero theres always the old playtest draft of Star Hero which last I looked was still on the Red October site' date=' it had some useful if dated stuff in it[/quote'] It was a crying shame that ICE never published that. It's a very good manuscript, far superior to the pre-4E edition, and would have greatly enhanced HERO sci-fi gaming. Still not as good as the current one, but IMO equal to 4E Fantasy HERO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I have to agree with almost everything that's been said here. If you are using the 5E rules, you will get practically nothing of real worth from it. In fact, I (almost) disagree with only one thing so far: Star Hero was the worst of the pre-4th edition standalone games.If you're going to be picky on the "pre-4th edition" standard' date=' then okay. Otherwise, I would respectfully submit [i']Cyber Hero[/i] as the all-time worst book put out for the old edition. Blech. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth just thinking about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paigeoliver Posted October 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero I still use 4th edition rules. Yeah, Cyber Hero. I have that, it, well, I can't put my finger on it. I'll just put it this way, it was the only major hero supplement I ever bought that I had no desire to run. Yet I still bought it twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero Except for being tied into that half-assed Cyberspace line of ICE's, I liked CyberHero. I had been working on some kind of cyberpunk game in Hero when it came out, and it was very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlHazred Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Re: Old version of Star Hero First of all, to each his own. That being said, Cyber Hero was the one (and only!) book I ever bought for Hero that I couldn't steal anything from for my game. Nothing! Kazei 5 was just so much better in so many ways. Cyber Hero was a huge disappointment, especially since I love the Cyberpunk genre. 4E Star Hero runs a close second. There were (literally) one or two good ideas I ripped off from it for my games. But everything else just felt so poorly done, it was a letdown. The playtest draft I saw online a while ago was a huge improvement, but still can't hold a candle to the magnificence that is the 5E Star Hero rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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