Ocelot Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I need a little help with my new campaign... One of the basic premises of the campaign is that there are eight Primal Elements, the foundation of all magic. These eight elements can also be combined into 36 non-primal elements. For example, Fire and Earth make Lava. Air and Water make Ice. Magic and Spirit make Dream. Et cetera, et cetera. I've figured out what 35 of them are. I'm really stumped on the the 36th. What do Fire and Nature magic make? Feel free to run wild. Think of something you could base a whole group of spells on, and something you'd like to see as an elemental. So, please don't say "Charred Wood." There will be no Charredwoodamancers in my campaign. ;-) PLEASE HELP! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsoul Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Most if not all of these could be created with different combinations but I'll have a go anyway. Smoke? Oil/Coal? Fury/Rage? Madness? Blood? Love/Passion? Life Energy? As in the heat or energy within a living being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Fear? Anger? Renewal? Cooked meat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Ash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelot Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? First, thank you for all your help. Second, I really feel like I've got myself in a bind on this one. Painted myself into a corner, as it were... Conflicts that I see so far... Most if not all of these could be created with different combinations but I'll have a go anyway. Smoke? Thank you for having a go, but... Smoke = Fire + Air (in my world, not always). Oil/Coal? Possible, but doubtful. See below. Fury/Rage? Love/Passion? Alas, Spirit plus Water is "Emotion" in my campaign. Madness? Fire and Spirit = Insanity. Blood? Life Energy? As in the heat or energy within a living being. I actually went with this for a while - Life. I thought about Blood, but passed. Life is what I've got, but I don't know what Life magic would do, since Nature and Spirit are Healing magic, and between Spirit and Healing, that pretty much sums up "Life," right? Fear? Anger? Renewal? Cooked meat? Fear/Anger, see emotion. Renewal? Mmm... Cookedmeatomancer has a certain ring to it, though. Ash? That sounds suspiciously like ground up charred wood. ;-) Maybe a better way to phrase it, to wrap our minds around it so I can better beg for your help, is... What kind of spells might a pyromancer and a druid both be able to cast? That don't involve storms or lightning? Thanks, Ocelot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Fear? Anger? Renewal? Cooked meat? Renewal is the first thing I thought of too. Rebirth, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelot Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Renewal is the first thing I thought of too. Rebirth' date=' etc.[/quote'] While I like the phoenix connotations, the powers of healing and regeneration are going to be under the auspices of "Healing" magic, which doesn't leave Renewal with a very large domain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Could be a "darker" side of Healing... no rebirth without accompanying death, no gain without pain, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jogger Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? In my game, I have something called Death Magic (sometimes called Dragon's Fire), it has some aspects of Fire and when you are touched by it, it doesn't just burns not your flesh, but drinks the very essence and grows stronger from it. Some call it a poison, some call it an addiction, even the toughest of pyromancers don't play with Dragon's Fire lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comic Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Maybe if we saw the whole list, we'd see the hole in the list? Fire + Nature could be so many things. Terror, pandemonium, rebirth, civilization, anodyne, dragons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Nookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayside Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Destruction, living flame (perhaps any of the cardinal elements tied to nature would create elementals?) Those are the only two that come to mind that havn't already been suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsoul Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? I would probably call this Water + Fire. But how about Acid? The magic of Life Energy would be all about motion and heat, playing with people's energy levels or body chemistry to affect their emotions or damage them somehow. Spells would include a NND Killing Attack that just raises the core temperature of the body, but you could also cloud the senses or make people high, give someone extra stun or end (feeding them extra energy) or take it away. A cool little spell could be called Scales of Energy, drains End from an opponent and pulls it right into you or an ally. It wouldn't be able to heal people but it could give them temporary Body and Stun which keeps them going but vanishes after the fight, at best you could speed up the natural healing process and give someone Regeneration for a while. You could also have spells of Frenzy or whatever but I guess you don't want to stray too far into the territory of Madness. Otherwise I agree that you should post the list, we're all firing shots into the dark here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? That sounds suspiciously like ground up charred wood. ;-) Yes, but it certainly *sounds* better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? What do Fire and Nature magic make? They give you Hunted: Smokey The Bear 14- (As Pow, NCI, Maul). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Squirrel Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Ash seems to be the answer. In my world design, Nature and Fire are adjacent, with Fire being the dominent, destructive element of the pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? I actually went with this for a while - Life. I thought about Blood, but passed. Life is what I've got, but I don't know what Life magic would do, since Nature and Spirit are Healing magic, and between Spirit and Healing, that pretty much sums up "Life," right? Nope. Life is also Animation, the power of voluntary movement. You could Animate inanimate matter, or living matter which is normally very slow, like plants. Life is Growth, becoming more mature, or becoming larger and/or stronger and tougher. Life is Reproduction, creating more of itself (Duplication or Summoning). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flames Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? If we could see the entire grid, maybe get an idea what's generally being called for, might make it easier to come up with an answer. Everything that comes to my mind is fairly abstract. "Fertility" perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Fire + Nature = California in the Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Yeah, knowing what it's not would help...Fire+Nature......Digestion is a sort of "fire"...so is a Fever......so is Rot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Squirrel Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? If we could see the entire grid, maybe get an idea what's generally being called for, might make it easier to come up with an answer. Everything that comes to my mind is fairly abstract. "Fertility" perhaps? You know... I see Fire as an element of creation and destruction. In that contest, Fertility makes a bit of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? My first thought for Fire + Nature is the Sun. There isn't a bigger natural conflagration anywhere close by..... Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? My first thought for Fire + Nature is the Sun. There isn't a bigger natural conflagration anywhere close by..... Doc Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? They give you Hunted: Smokey The Bear 14- (As Pow' date=' NCI, Maul). [/quote'] "ONLY YOU!" *DISEMBOWEL* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
input.jack Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Re: Nature + Fire = What? Nope. Life is also Animation' date=' the power of voluntary movement. You could Animate inanimate matter, or living matter which is normally very slow, like plants. Life is Growth, becoming more mature, or becoming larger and/or stronger and tougher. Life is Reproduction, creating more of itself (Duplication or Summoning).[/quote'] This is an excellent suggestion. Also, there can be a difference between "healing" magic, and magic used to ensure fertility, if thats how you want to take it. But I think the "Fire + Nature" = Animation" is a great way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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