Enforcer84 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Depends on who's running it, I'd wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? I think the early Champions Universe has a lot more in common with the Marvel of the 80's and 90's. Doctor Doom/Destroyer, Ultron/Mechanon, Hulk/Grond, etc.... . When Cryptic lost the contract with Marvel to do Marvel Online they came to Hero Games to purchase the rights to the Champions Universe. The similarities to what they had already worked out for Marvel didn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Yes, I'd say the CU has historically tended to be closer to Marvel. "Tended" and "closer" emphasised, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Depends on who's running it' date=' I'd wager.[/quote'] Oh absolutely, groups will screw it u-errr add their own spine.... but I meant the setting as written (SAW?). What does it feel like when you're just reading through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Main Man Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Marvel is better at marketing. DC is better at long term writing. These are more modern developments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? What does it feel like when you're just reading through it. It feels like a gaming company showing how it can handle the various comic-book tropes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Would you say the Champions Universe feels closer to the DC Universe or the Marvel Universe? In its earlier incarnations, IMO the Champions Universe was very strongly influenced by Marvel, to the point that many of its characters and groups were obvious homages to their Marvel counterparts. Of course this was in the early 1980s, near the end of Marvel's run of ground-breaking storylines and characters. Today's CU still leans more toward Marvel (again IMO), but has mixed in a lot more DC influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? What does it feel like when you're just reading through it. To me, it feels like its own living comic-book setting. It has history, in some ways more than DC or Marvel. Extraordinary adventurers have been active for generations. Heroes and villains age, retire or die, and new ones take their place. Significant superhuman activity extends around the globe, not just focussed on America. Earth lies in a galaxy with many diverse inhabitants, astropolitics, and cosmic entities impacting the planet. There's a whole Multiverse that's unique, multifaceted, and coherent. The CU drew much inspiration from the mainstream comics companies, as well as many other sources; but IMHO it's long since become its own entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? I agree that the Champions Universe is more like Marvel than DC, a good thing IMO. BTW, which universe do you prefer? The fourth edition one or the fifth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? all i know about is the 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? The Secret Society of Supervillains Funky Flashman was an homage to Stan Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanis Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? To me' date=' it feels like its own living comic-book setting. It has history, in some ways more than DC or Marvel. Extraordinary adventurers have been active for generations. Heroes and villains age, retire or die, and new ones take their place. Significant superhuman activity extends around the globe, not just focussed on America. Earth lies in a galaxy with many diverse inhabitants, astropolitics, and cosmic entities impacting the planet. There's a whole Multiverse that's unique, multifaceted, and coherent.[/quote'] One very interesting thing about CU since DoJ took it over for 5th-6th Ed. that distinguishes it from the Big 2 is that time passes 1:1 with real time. Although the chronology of some events has been retconnned inconsistently, for the most part the universe evolves as the real world does. Consequently, some heroes and villains are getting pretty long in the tooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? One very interesting thing about CU since DoJ took it over for 5th-6th Ed. that distinguishes it from the Big 2 is that time passes 1:1 with real time. Although the chronology of some events has been retconnned inconsistently' date=' for the most part the universe evolves as the real world does. Consequently, some heroes and villains are getting pretty long in the tooth.[/quote'] True, and I do like that, but that's easier to do when the universe's "main characters" aren't the ones in the supplements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? I agree that the Champions Universe is more like Marvel than DC' date=' a good thing IMO. BTW, which universe do you prefer? The fourth edition one or the fifth?[/quote'] Fourth edition was a valiant attempt at unifying a lot of disparate sources of info into something coherent. It largely works, and given the continuity may have the edge in replicating the feel of a long-running comic book universe. The 5th may be more coherent, but it's also darker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? It may be darker, but it still has Bulldozer and Foxbat, not to mention popstar superheroines and talking gorillas. Whimsey is not lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? thank goodness for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? thank gooness for that Goo ness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? Goo ness?i misspelled goodness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? The death toll in the Champions Universe seems higher than either of the big two. And most of the dead seem to have stayed that way in canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escafarc Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? i misspelled goodness I prefer to think that you misspelled Grooness, Comics could use more Groo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? I prefer to think that you misspelled Grooness' date=' Comics could use more Groo [/quote'] I prefer to think that he meant Goonness, and somewhere Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan are smiling. We were talking whimsy, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? When I stopped reading comics about 20 years ago, Marvel was the negative, cynical group that sowed mistrust. DC had a positive outlook and was encouraging. Marvel was constantly killing characters and bringing them back. DC "killed" Superman with a piss-poor plot device for a sales boost. Marvel was constantly telling you which issues were collector's issues (and providing at least four different covers). DC was trying spin-offs. DC had continuity, Marvel had flavor-of-the-month power changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? marvels heroes were mostly in the david role of a david vs goliath scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: DC and Marvel: What Makes Them Different? DC has great characters but has run out of any creativity in using them and has been reduced to stunts like killing off Superman, destroying Gotham City in an earthquake, or killing off and replacing their heroes with newer versions (Batgirl, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle) who fail and have to be replaced with new versions until the originals come back. DC also writes themelves into a corner every five to ten years or so and they have to destroy the entire universe and replace it with a new version in a vain attempt to cover up the idiotic Crisis on Infinite Earth (which might as well have been called Hubris). Marvel has some interesting concepts but except for Spider-Man on the whole the characters are rather common. If you look at the Hulk, Iron Man, and X-Men stories they basically repeat the same situations over and over again. The Fantasic Four was Challengers of the Unknown with powers and a woman on the team. Marvel did have continuity and the crossovers of the characters and common history made the Universe what it is. Marvel does tend to keep adding new characters which on closer examination are exactly alike the characters they already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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