unclevlad Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think the judge in this case is overreaching. MInd, I am NO fan of the NCAA, but this ruling feels wrong. I don't see a "show cause" condition as constituting unlawful restraint. The guy is found to have broken the rules. It's an administrative punishment that seems well within the bounds. I do agree with rejecting the Pac-12's comments. Tough noogies, kiddies. Deal with it. Besides, if this ruling's upheld, I wouldn't be at all surprised if more challenges start being filed in other states, under any similar laws they've got. It *is* California, and they do have some unique laws, but this feels like something other states would probably also have. Oh, and heck, it's not just the Pac-12. Big West, West Coast, Mountain West for sure. Div II has a California Collegiate Athletic Association. Looks like about 25 in Div I and another 20+ in Div II. 1 hour ago, Michael Hopcroft said: A Los Angeles judge has found the "show cause" clause in the NCAA disciplinary bylaws is illegal -- at least in California. His reasoning is that California law prohibits "unlawful restraint on engaging in a lawful profession". In this case, it involved a lawsuit brought by a USC assistant football coach whose college career was ruined due to his purported role in the Reggie Bush agent scandal of the early 2000's. The Pac-12 filed a comment against the coach's case in the suit, on the grounds that college sports in California is in jeopardy if they cannot follow the same NCAA rules everyone else does. The judge dismissed their complaints as "speculative". However, the NCAA and its very deep pockets are appealing the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 If laws in California rule out the way college sports are done, then that's binding on the California state schools. College sports don't fall under the interstate commerce clause because they are legally not commerce: if they were, then student athletes would be employees, and the gross exploitation of them as "students" would be uncompensated work, if not outright involuntary servitude. The private schools (U$C and Stanford, etc.) may not be subject to the same administrative rules that a state can impose on its subunits (and the U of Cal system is a subunit of the government of the State of California). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 A college football-related piece from the local paper: Doug Robinson: Forbes list reveals immense wealth and disparity in college football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Cancer said: If laws in California rule out the way college sports are done, then that's binding on the California state schools. College sports don't fall under the interstate commerce clause because they are legally not commerce: if they were, then student athletes would be employees, and the gross exploitation of them as "students" would be uncompensated work, if not outright involuntary servitude. The private schools (U$C and Stanford, etc.) may not be subject to the same administrative rules that a state can impose on its subunits (and the U of Cal system is a subunit of the government of the State of California). Yeah, bad news for Cal and UCLA. Otherwise it's hard to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 The California judge's ruling was based on labor law, as I read it. He was saying the NCAA was denying employment improperly. I'd say that logic would apply to every school in the state, not just the state-run schools. Also, re-read the details anyway. The case was about a USC coach, so it clearly is *not* limited to just the state schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 That safety that San Diego State just suffered against Air Force is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 The Buckeyes barely seem to care today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Grey pants, CSU? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Ohhhhhhh, well we're moving on up, in the polls To a deeeeluxe number 2 spot, in the rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Oregon wins the second half 20-7, but Washington State wins the first half 27-0, and Martin Stadium in Pullman is delerious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 OU soundly defeated TCU. No margin for error now. If they win out there is a likely rematch for the Big XII title (aka. "Bob Stoops Invitational"). Would love to see OU beat Texas in the conference championship. Would be delicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 But, what if they face each other again, and Texas wins again. I just don't have the energy to talk you down from that ledge again (and I'm out of tranq darts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Buckeyes CRASH AND BURN!!!! That alone makes it a great day. Unfortunately, I still need Notre Dame to lose. That's next up. BCS standings are starting to become worth talking about.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Bummer. Bummer. Didn't think the Buckeye defense would hold up much longer. PS: Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 And yet another college football season devolves into "Alabama and the Seven Dwarfs". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Badger said: But, what if they face each other again, and Texas wins again. I just don't have the energy to talk you down from that ledge again (and I'm out of tranq darts) Why would a decent human being even say such a thing? You kiss your mother with that mouth? Sheesh. massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 12:01 PM, Pariah said: A college football-related piece from the local paper: Doug Robinson: Forbes list reveals immense wealth and disparity in college football Seriously? A wealth inequality argument in college football? He wants the lower programs to break away and form their own playoff. I guess they can go join the FCS if they want, rake in all that fat cash. I wonder why those schools aren't rushing to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 .Player compensation lawsuit vs. NCAA could usher in new round of conference realignment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 6:43 PM, Iuz the Evil said: Why would a decent human being even say such a thing? You kiss your mother with that mouth? Sheesh. But, I'm just trying to keep it real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 So the Maryland University Board of Scum...err Regents opted to retain the their 10-15 head coach, overruling their President who would have been terminated if he fired DJ Durkin. Good luck looking any parent in the eye and telling them you'll take care of their son, you sleazy dumba$$es. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I know what my response as a faculty member would be. Not to mention my response as an academic grant officer for a foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Starlord said: So the Maryland University Board of Scum...err Regents opted to retain the their 10-15 head coach, overruling their President who would have been terminated if he fired DJ Durkin. Good luck looking any parent in the eye and telling them you'll take care of their son, you sleazy dumba$$es. Dude. You are Maryland, not Alabama. What are you doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 It's been done before. Of course, the death penalty ensued on that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 A death penalty in Maryland's case would certainly seem appropriate, seeing that a player actually died on that administration's watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Cancer said: I know what my response as a faculty member would be. Not to mention my response as an academic grant officer for a foundation. Yes indeed. And apparently Wallace Loh, the Regents' sacrificial lamb, heard it. Durkin's out on his ass. BUT doing it this way, he's just terminated. NOT for cause. So he's owed $5M or so. Me, I think this should come out of the pockets of every Regent that pushed to keep him. Not gonna happen, of course, but one can dream. Now...is it possible to have yet ANOTHER bootlegger turn here? Can the Board overrule the university president? Let's go all in with the sucking up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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