Christopher R Taylor Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 The original topic about rebuilding the Guardians is now archived and cannot be commented on, but you can find it here. We went through and tried to rebuild a few of the characters from what we knew, and managed to get a few done. Because some of the original Champions players who created the Guardians are now playtesting a new Superhero game called Prowlers and Paragons, and they have printed versions of their first characters in that game set, I've gotten an insight into some of the missing ones. So far, only Dove, Marksman, and Goliath have been posted, but they were missing from our data to recreate them in the other thread. Here's what I came up with for Dove based on that info: I don't have a nifty colored image for this one, but you can see the original Mark Williams art for the character at least. Some of the abilties and builds in P&P aren't exactly clear or certain, so I had to guess but this should be reasonably close. Cassandra, bubba smith and Joe Walsh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Was there ever an origin for him? I like knowing these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. R Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 OK a few things: 1) His OCV is low and no skill levels or modifiers. I hope none of his gadgets are ranged as he will have trouble hitting. 2) Am I ready the modifiers for Move-by/Move-through right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Its possible that template is using 5th edition data for the maneuvers, its just a printout from Hero Designer. The background on these guys I really do not know. Its interesting how he has a gadget pool, I think its basically "I take the Viper Agent's force field belt and gun" stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Dove was a defensive character. His goal, if I remember correctly, was to promote world piece, not fight crime. That is why my idea of the backworld counterpart is Warhawk, who profits from counties going to war against each other. Ninja-Bear and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I have the Miniature from the Champions set. Included were Titan (Powered Armor), Flare, Starlet, Icestar, Marksman, and Gargoyle. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 If I recall correctly, Gargoyle was dropped from HERO material only because the creator wanted to use him in his own projects. Not sure if those projects were ever published or not. From the original series of comics, Flare had a sister called Sparkplug who was also an energy projector but using electricity rather than light. Sparkplug is in the yellow costume, Flare is in orange on the cover of Champions #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Each of these characters has a background description at the website and a list of their powers (and most of their major skills mentioned in their description). If anyone still has access to the original comics, there were write-ups for each in the Champions edition which was being published at the time. Marksman (aka Huntsman later in his published comics career) https://comicvine.gamespot.com/marksman/4005-47766/ Agility, Longevity (definitely at least slow aging but possibly immortal) Escape Artist, Leadership, Fast Draw, Marksmanship, Stealth, Swordsmanship, Tracking, Martial Arts (he's a former soldier so at least those taught in the military), Gunsmith, Electronics, Electrical Engineering, Inventor, access to a gadget pool through his electronics company. Icestar https://comicvine.gamespot.com/icestar/4005-27237/ Agility, Stamina, Ice Control (blast, barrier, enhanced running/flight along surfaces, Change Environment (create cold), probably others that I don't remember offhand. Comic book Martial Arts, Electronics, Communications Systems (operations and repair), SS: Cryogenics. Icestar is very popular with the public and police. His younger sister was a costumed adventurer known as Icicle who had most of the same powers plus a heat blast which she could fire after absorbing enough heat from the surrounding environment. She has a recurring problem (complication) with petty theft. Flare https://comicvine.gamespot.com/flare/4005-4574/ Blast Power (light), Flash, Energy Absorption, Energy Manipulation, Flight (visible after-effect), Intellect, Light Projection, Super Speed, Super Strength, resistant to damage Linguist with a large list of languages, Martial Arts, Acrobatics, Survival, Tactics. Rapid aging due to the experiments which gave her powers. Somewhat naive because she's much younger and less experienced with life than she appears. Sister of Sparkplug, though they were raised separately. Giant (aka Goliath) Growth, Super Strength, Invulnerability, Super-hearing, Regeneration, Stamina All powers are bought through a magical harness created by the gods of Olympus, (either OIF or only in hero ID). He could be considered a legacy hero by some but he's not necessarily aware of even a small number of the heroes who have worn the harness down through the ages. ==== I'm not sure which were considered Guardians in published HERO products and which were characters from the original Champions campaign but weren't official long-term members of the team. Here are the maybes. Sparkplug https://comicvine.gamespot.com/sparkplug/4005-29640/ Agility, Blast Power, Electricity Control, Flight, Self-Healing, Super Strength, Change Environment to create light (no range), resistant to damage Martial Arts, Survival, Tactics, Acrobatics, a broad background in sciences and languages (German, English, and Spanish for sure but I don't remember beyond that. German is her native language), grew up in a South American jungle environment and was raised by escaped Nazi scientists. Rapid aging. Rose (aka Psyche later in her published career) https://comicvine.gamespot.com/psyche/4005-30496/ Astral Projection, Dimensional Manipulation, Empathy, Force Field, Illusion Casting, Intellect, Psionic, Telepathy. Detective. Extensive knowledge of subjects involving magic and the occult. ==== Ally but never a team member. Lady Arcane - novice sorceress, legacy hero https://comicvine.gamespot.com/lady-arcane/4005-26815/ Astral Projection, Intellect, Levitation, Magic VPP, Mind Control, Teleport Her backstory says she never joined the team because they had expelled, on a charge of willful manslaughter, a costumed heroine known as Transpower. Lady Arcane was portrayed as being sexually interested in women, including Flare at one point, so it is possible that Transpower is a former love interest. Her grandfather is Doctor Arcane who, if he is still active, is comparable in knowledge, skills, and powers to Doctor Strange from Marvel Comics. Galloping Galooper Athletic Gadgeteer, Blast, and I think I remember leaping boots as being his main form of transportation. Martial Arts with sword as weapons component, Inventor, some sciences, is a reporter in his civilian ID. He is mostly used as comic relief even though he is perfectly serious and doesn't seem to realize that he comes across as vaguely ridiculous by being so weighted down by his sword and gadgets in his bandolier, belt, boot cuffs, gloves, etc. and acting very over-the-top toward villains, civilians, and women. Especially the women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 As stated in the original thread, the comic book version of the Guardians was NOT the original real Guardians; it was the comic book author's version of them, "inspired by" the real team, as the movies say. So, while they might have some ideas, they aren't really much use in determining the real team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 It should be noted that Sparkplug was published, as Poinsettia in one of the Enimies books. Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 A bit OT, but if I may: Is that comic still going? I really thought it had gone full-on cheesecake and then died or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I think he's still putting out Flare cheesecake but not Champions. Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 10:28 PM, Christopher R Taylor said: I think he's still putting out Flare cheesecake but not Champions. Yeah, they sporadically come out with two or three Flare comic books then publish nothing for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 5:36 PM, steriaca said: It should be noted that Sparkplug was published, as Poinsettia in one of the Enimies books. I really hated the Poinsettia name but it isn't like Sparkplug was any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 5:06 PM, Christopher R Taylor said: As stated in the original thread, the comic book version of the Guardians was NOT the original real Guardians; it was the comic book author's version of them, "inspired by" the real team, as the movies say. So, while they might have some ideas, they aren't really much use in determining the real team. I'm aware that those are comic book adaptations of campaign characters. I didn't try to pass them off as anything else. I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is other than to let us look at your write-up of Dove. If you're wanting us to discuss potential write-ups of Guardians who haven't been written up yet, give us a list of the characters you'd like to see discussed. I'd be more than happy to discuss any or all of them. Or if you have some other point, let us know what it is rather than having us flounder around and try to come up with some content to discuss then having to listen to you complain about someone making an effort to provide some content for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Titan, for one. My in my mind backworld version of Titan is The Machine. He is a scientist who got disgusted with mankind, so he locks himself off in a unremovable suit of power armor and actively plots the slow destruction of mankind. After some major setbacks, he is forced to work with the Eliminators (backworld Guardians). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 1:59 PM, steriaca said: Dove was a defensive character. His goal, if I remember correctly, was to promote world piece, not fight crime. That is why my idea of the backworld counterpart is Warhawk, who profits from counties going to war against each other. sort of a HAWK AND DOVE type of hero right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, bubba smith said: sort of a HAWK AND DOVE type of hero right ? Depends upon how he was ran. I believe he was more "get the normals out of the way" than "hit the baddies till they give up" type of character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Quote I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is other than to let us look at your write-up of Dove. Its an attempt to resurrect the old thread which is now archived so you cannot post on it. There's more than enough interest in these old characters to justify bringing them to the fore again. Quote Or if you have some other point, let us know what it is rather than having us flounder around and try to come up with some content to discuss then having to listen to you complain about someone making an effort to provide some content for discussion. Stop being so defensive, I just wanted to note that those weren't the original real team so people unfamiliar with the comic or the background understood this. It had to be said like 4 times in the previous thread, too. TjackFlash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Stop being so defensive Stop being so offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels2 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 I sat in on a game of Prowlers and Paragons early in the year, and Ray played Dove. I played a Powered Armor suit. Watching Ray play was rather awe inspiring, in how he played the system and outwitted the bad guys (and the GM) using basically defensive skills. You could see how he was often a "Back up leader" in the old Guardians campaigns. He was a very "reluctant" Hero, as in reluctant to get closely involved, but he has a DNPC to rescue, so he wasn't the happiest of creatures on the battle mat. Prowlers & Paragons, has a similar flavor to Champions, but it is a simpler, and much l3ess crunchy system than Hero, and for me it was too much, "Theater of the mind", and not enough maps and miniatures for me, personally. However, with the calibers of players we had at the time, I would play Candyland with those folks. assault and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fyre Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 9/24/2018 at 8:28 PM, Christopher R Taylor said: I think he's still putting out Flare cheesecake but not Champions. How does he have rights to Flare? (Stacy Thain (Laurence) created Character) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 4 hours ago, Lord Fyre said: How does he have rights to Flare? (Stacy Thain (Laurence) created Character) Stacy isn't blocked from playing her no matter who owns her. Just like you are not blocked from playing Spiderman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 10 Author Report Share Posted May 10 (edited) I have no idea how the rights work or how he got the ability to publish anything involving the characters. He probably just asked if he could and they were fine with having their team in a comic book. Edited May 10 by Christopher R Taylor Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fyre Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, Stanley Teriaca said: Stacy isn't blocked from playing her no matter who owns her. Just like you are not blocked from playing Spiderman. The character being created 40 years ago is a bigger obstacle. I was referring to the legal issue, like why the Marksman had to be renamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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