Cygnia Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Backlash As Track Star Disqualified From World Championship Over 'BS Rule' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Basically penalized for being 'too fast' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Ironic that happens so close to Thorpe getting cleared of his BS dq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Quote “The 0.1 sec threshold to measure a false start was established based on the science on standard reaction times,” the statement said. That's from World Athletics. Moronic argument, IMO. Utterly moronic. If they have all the tricks to tag timing THIS close, then a clear, true false start is clearly identifiable. Bob Beamon blew the long jump record out of the solar system in Mexico City...in 8 years prior, a new record was set 8 times. The total improvement was 8 inches. Beamon's was 22 inches longer. I don't normally consider sprinting an aesthetic activity, but Michael Johnson's amazing gold medal in Atlanta was one. Smooth, effortless, and amazing. Knocked .32 seconds off, in an event where hundredths matter. Usain Bolt has run the 100 .16 seconds faster than anyone else, ever. The record dropped a total of .15 seconds between '88 and '06. The logic of this rule escapes me, but even if we concede there is a case...you DON'T run it that close to the vest. The story points out that 2 other runners' reactions were .109 and .108...so .1 is just too tight, in view of the incredible improvements made in athletic training that goes on, for ALL athletes. There will ALWAYS be those rare, unforeseeable, amazing athletes that blow "standard" out of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Tadej Pogacar wins stage 17 of the Tour de France with Vingegaard second. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/62241055 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 14 hours ago, unclevlad said: That's from World Athletics. Moronic argument, IMO. Utterly moronic. If they have all the tricks to tag timing THIS close, then a clear, true false start is clearly identifiable. Bob Beamon blew the long jump record out of the solar system in Mexico City...in 8 years prior, a new record was set 8 times. The total improvement was 8 inches. Beamon's was 22 inches longer. I don't normally consider sprinting an aesthetic activity, but Michael Johnson's amazing gold medal in Atlanta was one. Smooth, effortless, and amazing. Knocked .32 seconds off, in an event where hundredths matter. Usain Bolt has run the 100 .16 seconds faster than anyone else, ever. The record dropped a total of .15 seconds between '88 and '06. The logic of this rule escapes me, but even if we concede there is a case...you DON'T run it that close to the vest. The story points out that 2 other runners' reactions were .109 and .108...so .1 is just too tight, in view of the incredible improvements made in athletic training that goes on, for ALL athletes. There will ALWAYS be those rare, unforeseeable, amazing athletes that blow "standard" out of the water. Not to mention they already have a rule in place to discourage trying to time the starter. When they changed the false start rules from being 2 false starts per individual equals disqualification to 2 false starts per group (meaning the 2nd false start in a group) leads to that individual being disqualified, I have to believe that would be enough. to say that anyone leaving after the gun is a false start removes the whole point. this is a stupid rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 hours ago, death tribble said: Tadej Pogacar wins stage 17 of the Tour de France with Vingegaard second. Thomas also drops too far back to beat Vingegaard, unless V has a REALLY bad day tomorrow or somehow can't finish...but the descents tomorrow were said to be treacherous. And the climbs are quite long. AND it's expected to be H O T !!! Thomas finished over 2 minutes behind both of em...and they both got time bonuses. Pog's up to 3 minutes ahead of Thomas. Flip side: Quintana lost about 90 seconds to Thomas, so he's 3 minutes back. The top 3...and their order...can be pencilled in at this point. Van Aert mathematically clinched green...before the race even finished. After the intermediate sprint, he was well over 200 points ahead...and there were only 200 left. 180 now...3 intermediate sprints @ 20 points each, 1 mountain stage win is another 20, and 2 sprint finishes that are 50 each. You have to figure with the green in the bag, and VERY likely the yellow in the bag barring a disaster...Jumbo-Visma is probably going to play tomorrow, the only really dangerous stage left, quite cautiously. They'll ignore any breakaway completely, unless someone in the top 8's involved. From Quintana (4th) to Vlasov (8th), they'll probably let them have 5 minutes; Quintana's 8 minutes back, and also isn't a top time trial rider. Pog and Vin will watch each other, and keep a weather eye out for Thomas. Vin and J-V won't initiate...but they will have to respond if Pog tries to go. That might be harder tomorrow; McNulty set a record time, apparently, on the 2nd (big) climb and was fast on the last one. It's quite hard to do that 2 days in a row. Pog can't escape Vin on his own; we've seen that now multiple times. But Pog has to try. He got back only 4 seconds...time bonus...today. Friday's basically flat, it's either gonna be a big breakaway with the sprint teams, or a bunch finish...not a race likely to move the GC any notable amount. The time trial could, but probably not 2 full minutes' worth. And then the Champs is a bunch sprint, as there's no competitive riding before getting there. Again, barring crash...no time to be gained. 2 hours ago, slikmar said: Not to mention they already have a rule in place to discourage trying to time the starter. When they changed the false start rules from being 2 false starts per individual equals disqualification to 2 false starts per group (meaning the 2nd false start in a group) leads to that individual being disqualified, I have to believe that would be enough. to say that anyone leaving after the gun is a false start removes the whole point. this is a stupid rule. Sometimes I think officials make up rules to try to justify their position. The track rule is...in some ways...similar to basketball's end of game rules. one dribble, then shoot; catch and shoot; can only tip the ball. Those, tho, are needed because the game clock is started by hand, and that has significant variance on this time scale. There's also some parallel, I think, with baseball replay. The high-speed cameras allow hair-splittingly fine timing...it's something you see semi-regularly on plays at first, and it's sharply affected tag plays, when the umps start hunting for "oh, his foot/leg were off the bag in these 3 frames...the tag was still on...OUT!!!" The rule here feels like it's a misuse of the tech, as I think the slide call can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Britain takes Men's World Athletics 1500m Gold https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/62232323 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Jonas Vingegaard wins stage 18 of the Tour with Pogacar second but a minute down https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/62255650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, death tribble said: Jonas Vingegaard wins stage 18 of the Tour with Pogacar second but a minute down Yep. Granted, the race is close to over, but...it's over. Barring crashes or withdrawals, it's over. Vingegaard now has about 3:30 on Pog. Yellow: done. Vin has an 8 point lead now in KoM. There are fewer than 8 left to get. Polkda dot: done. Van Aert's had green locked. The only question left is whether he can set a record. He has more than 2nd and 3rd combined. Which means J-V has 3 of the 4 individual jerseys; Pog has white, and that's been a lock for a long time too. Van Aert...insane. Most aggressive on the day...in the top 3 on *all 3* climbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 I cannot recall seeing three jerseys battle like that. Two years ago Pogacar caught them out despite all the work that Jumbo Visma put in. Yesterday he pulled a stunt on them. Today they got him back. The team executed and Van Aert was waiting for Jonas. They broke Pogacar and both Jonas and Tadej had near misses on the descent. Tadej's was more serious but Jonas waited for him. An ambush could still be staged on the final flat stage or in the Time Trial. But it may all be over bar the shouting. It has been wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, death tribble said: I cannot recall seeing three jerseys battle like that. Two years ago Pogacar caught them out despite all the work that Jumbo Visma put in. Yesterday he pulled a stunt on them. Today they got him back. The team executed and Van Aert was waiting for Jonas. They broke Pogacar and both Jonas and Tadej had near misses on the descent. Tadej's was more serious but Jonas waited for him. An ambush could still be staged on the final flat stage or in the Time Trial. But it may all be over bar the shouting. It has been wonderful. But at this point, Vin has over 3 minutes in hand. A bad mechanical issue shouldn't cost more than a minute; the cars should be reasonably close on the rest of the stages. A crash can, of course, take anyone out, so it's not a complete lock, but it's close. Otherwise, J-V has too strong a team to allow a successful attack on a flat stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Pogacar has been strong and very powerful in the Time Trials previously. So it could be brought back. Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 11:43 AM, Cygnia said: Backlash As Track Star Disqualified From World Championship Over 'BS Rule' Maybe I'm just old and cranky, but when I was involved with the sport, the rule was to disqualify participants for starting before the starter pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Did you ever mouth 'bang' to annoy the deaf athletes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Georgia Stanway hits a thunderbolt from the top of the box to propel England's women over Spain in extra time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, death tribble said: Pogacar has been strong and very powerful in the Time Trials previously. So it could be brought back. Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched. The first TT was a lot shorter to be sure, and Pogacar finished ahead of Ving...by 15 seconds. Pog finished 3rd, Ving 7th. Barring mishap, there's no way Pog gets 3 minutes back. A minute, maybe 2 minutes? Might not be out of the question, but the gap now is just too large. Pog needed to gain time on Ving today to have a real shot...not lose 1:08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Cancer said: Georgia Stanway hits a thunderbolt from the top of the box to propel England's women over Spain in extra time Great win for England, but it showed how much Spain was missing their number one striker. a 2nd goal at any point and they put that game away, since they controlled the ball for most the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 Christophe Laporte wins stage 19 of the Tour de France. He is the first French stage winner of this edition https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/62269688 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, death tribble said: Christophe Laporte wins stage 19 of the Tour de France. He is the first French stage winner of this edition How any stages are there in the Tour de France, and how close are we to the famous "victory lap" in Paris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 All three Grand Tours have 21 stages. There are two stages left, a time trial and then the procession into Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 Looks a lot like Australian Football only with a soccer goal and ball. The hungover commentator is funny though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, slikmar said: Looks a lot like Australian Football only with a soccer goal and ball. The hungover commentator is funny though. Sure it was just a hangover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 Wout Van Aert wins stage 20, the time trial of the Tour de France https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/62279048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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