Seeker, 5th Edition

[Metaphysician]

Since it apparently hasn't been done before, at least on this board, I present to you: Seeker, in 5th Edition. ( With thanks to ChuckG for help in conversion ).

 

Name Seeker

15 STR 25 800 kg; 5d6 [2]

57 DEX 29 OCV 10

30 CON 25 DCV 10

10 BODY 15

3 INT 13 PER 12- ( 15- Total )

8 EGO 14 ECV 5

10 PRE 20 Pre 4d6

5 COM 20

13 PD 18 Total PD: 18

10 ED 15 Total ED: 15

31 SPD 7 Phases: 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12

0 REC 10

0 END 50

1 STUN 41

 

Movement:

Running: 10"/20"

Swimming: 4"/8"

Leaping: 10"/20"

END

Powers, Abilities, Equipment:

10 Combat Skill: +2 Levels with HtH

16 Combat Skill: +2 Levels with All Combat

 

Martial Arts- Ninjutsu, Jujutsu, Karate, Kung Fu

4 Atemi Strike: -1 OCV, +1 DCV, 2d6 NND ( 1 )

4 Block: +2 OCV, +2 DCV, Block, Abort

5 Choke Hold: -2 OCV, +0 DCV, Grab One Limb; 2d6 NND (2)

4 Disarm: -1 OCV, +1 DCV, 50 STR Disarm

4 Dodge: +5 DCV, Dodge All Attacks, Abort

4 Escape: +0 OCV, +0 DCV, 55 STR Escape

4 Joint Lock: -1 OCV, -1 DCV, Grab Two Limbs, 50 STR for holding on

5 Joint Break: -1 OCV, -2 DCV, Grab One Limb, 1d6 HKA ( 2d6 /w STR ), Disable

5 Kick: -2 OCV, +1 DCV, 12d6

4 Punch: +0 OCV, +2 DCV, 10d6

3 Throw: +0 OCV, +1 DCV, 8d6 + v/5; Target Falls

12 +3 Damage Classes ( Already Factored In )

4 Use Arts with Blades, Clubs, Karate Weapons, Three-Section Staff

2 Stances- Multipower ( 3 point pool ), Costs END ( -1/2)

1u Cat Stance- Lightning Reflexes +2, Costs END (-1/2) 1

1u Crane Stance- +1 OCV /w Block, Requires a DEX Roll (-1/4), Costs END (-1/2) 1

1u Horse Stance- -1" Knockback Resistance, Costs END (-1/2) 1

 

30 Martial Arts Weapons- Multipower ( 45 point pool ), OIF ( -1/2)

2u Katana- HKA 2d6 ( 3.5d6 /w STR ), Ranged ( Can be Thrown, +1/2) (45 AP); OAF (-1), Real Weapon (-1/4), No Knockback (-1/4), Range Based on STR (-1/4) 3+

1u Triple Irons- HA +3D6 (15 AP), OAF (-1), HtH Attack (-1/2); plus 1" Stretching, 0 END (+1/2) (7 AP); OAF (-1), No NC Stretching (-1/4), Only to Cause

Damage (-1/2), Always Direct (-1/4), No Velocity Damage (-1/4); plus +2

OCV (10 AP), OAF (-1), Only for Block, Disarm, Bind (-1/2) 1+

2u Sai ( Blunt Strike )- HA +3d6, Ranged ( Can be Thrown +1/2) (22 AP), OAF (-1), HtH Attack (-1/2), Range Based on STR (-1/4); plus +2 OCV (10 AP), OAF (-1), Only to Block, Disarm, Bind (-1/2); x2 Foci (+5 adder) 1+

2u Sai ( Point )- HKA 1/2d6 ( 1d6+1 /w STR ), Ranged ( Can be Thrown +1/2) (15 AP), OAF (-1), Range Based on STR (-1/4); plus +2 OCV (10 AP), OAF (-1), Only to Block, Disarm, Bind (-1/2); x2 Foci (+5 adder ) 1+

1u Shuriken- HKA 1/2d6 ( 1d6+1 /w STR ), Autofire 3 shots (+1/4), Ranged (+1/2), 9 Recoverable Charges (+1/4) (20 AP); OAF (-1), No Knockback (-1/4), Range Based on STR (-1/4) [9rc]

 

13 Pain Resistant- Damage Reduction, 25% Resistant, Physical and Energy, Must Be Aware of Attack (-1/4), STUN Only (-1/2), Requires a CON Roll (-1/2)

5 Strength of Will- Mental Defenses 5 ( 8 Points Total )

22 Sense Ch'i- Detect Ch'i, Sense, 360 Degree Perception, Ranged, Discriminatory

9 Enhanced Perception: +3 with all PER Rolls

5 Hing Kung: Glidng 6", Ground Gliding (-1/4) 1/5"

7 Dontonjutsu ( Earth Concealment Technique ): Tuneling 1", Fill In, Maximum 1 1" tunneled (-1)

5 Superleap: Leaping +5" ( 10" total ) 1/5"

8 Running +4" ( 10" Total ) 1/5"

2 Swimming +2" ( 4" Total ) 1/5"

10 Luck 2d6

2 Immunity: Coral Snake Venom, Jellyfish Venom

Talents/Perks:

16 Combat Luck 13-

3 Lightsleep

Combat Skills:

8 Defense Maneuver I-III

6 Weapon Familiarity: Common Melee Weapons, Common Martial Arts Weapons, Three-Section Staff, Off-Hand

 

Agility Skills:

15 Acrobatics, Breakfall, Climbing, Sleight of Hand, Stealth 15-

 

Intellect Skills:

10 Shadowing, Survival, Tracking 13-

8 Analyze Style, Navigation, Tactics 12-

Interaction Skills:

3 Well-Connected

10 Favors: 20 points of favors from many and sundry people

Background Skills:

8 Languages: English ( native ), Japanese ( Fluent Conversation, Literacy ), Mandarin Chinese ( Basic Conversation, Literacy ), Nohoda Ninja Clan Codes and Symbols ( Fluent Conversation, Literacy )

3 Scholar

4 KS: Jujutsu, Karate, Kung Fu, Ninjutsu 11-

6 KS: Rhythm & Blues, Philosophy 13-

4 AK: Australian Outback 13-

 

Disadvantages

10 Distinctive Feature: Martial Arts Style ( Concealable, Always Noticed and" Causes Major Reaction, Only Within Martial Arts Community )

10 DNPC: Current Girlfriend ( normal ) 8-

20 Enraged: When Innocents are Abused ( Common ), Go 11-, Recover 11-

20 Hunted: VIPER ( More Powerful, NCI, Harshly Punish ) 8-

5 Hunted: Red Band of the Nohoda Ninja Clan ( Less Powerful, Harshly Punish ) 8-

5 Hunted: Green Dragon ( Less Powerful, Harshly Punish ) 8-

20 Psych Limitation: Puts Innocents Before Himself ( Common, Total )

15 Psych Limitation: Code of Honor ( honors honorable foes, punishes dishonorable foes ) ( Common, Strong )

10 Psych Limitation: Seeks Absolute Truth ( will go into danger to determine absolute philosophic certainty ) ( Uncommon, Strong )

5 Psych Limitation: Irreverent Wisecracker ( Uncommon, Moderate )

15 Reputation: Honorable ( Will not break his word ) 14-

10 Rivalry: Other Martial Artists

434 Base + 120 Disadvantages = 554 Total 506 Points Spent

 

Sorry about the slight ugliness in the writeup. I dropped the Champions-specific material, and streamlined some stuff ( namely, I turned the weapons into a multipower ).

 

Now, the writeup is only partly done. Specifically, he's updated to 5th Edition rules, but he still needs some "finishing." Specifically, powers, abilities, skills, etc, that he should have, but doesn't yet.

 

My initial ideas:

 

-At least 3/3 Combat Luck, maybe 6/6. The first is all but certain; Combat Luck was made with Seeker in mind.

 

-Another extra Martial Arts DC: Because I find it morally offensive for Nighthawk to be better at martial arts in any way, shape, or form. :-)

 

-Missile Deflection: At least to the "arrow-catching" level. Fits the character.

 

Any others?? Any thoughts on the rest of the writeup??

[Bengal]

It's a possibility that he's better than Nighthawk at MA... but I think his Dex should be at most 27 (probably 26) and his SPD should definitely be dropped back to 6. The defenses, combat levels, and skills seem right, as do the weapons.

[Chuckg]

Whoa, this isn't beginning Seeker, this is "Watchers of the Dragon" Ultimate Seeker. He's /supposed/ to be DEX 29 SPD 7.

[Bengal]

Okay. I can understand gaining a point of speed through training and meditation on the meaning of action, or whatever mumbo-jumbo you want to trot out. But gaining in Dex? Probably nopt something you can gain through diet, excercise, and whatever. At least not 9 active points of it. Better to build it through the (more expensive) combat skill levels + lightning reflexes construct, to show extensive training.

 

You might even buy +1 SPD, Costs END (-1/2) in order to demonstrate it's something metaphysical and not strictly natural, costs Chi energy expenditure, whatever.

[Metaphysician]

People develop their reflexes and agility all the time. What do you think an olympic gymnast is doing?? And yes, the Dex and Speed are straight out of the Watchers of the Dragon writeup. Thats how fast and agile he's supposed to be.

[Vorsch]

This is a 492pt character, im not surprised hes better than Night hawk

[James Gillen]

I think in some respects they're using Shugoshin (ex-Yakuza goon turned heroic swordsman) as the replacement Martial Artist archetype, given that he's been on both covers of The Ultimate Martial Artist, and fits the conception (unarmored fighter, mix of Japanese and Western influences) about as well.

 

JG

[Lord Liaden]

Well, the new official guidelines for the limits of human potential are DEX 30, SPD 7; these are maximums for what normal humans can achieve through training and innate ability. Beyond that you're "superhuman" and are expected to have some paranormal rationale for your extraordinary stats. Seeker's Characteristics are significantly below max in most other areas, though, especially the non-physical ones.

 

Having Watchers of the Dragon I'd have to say that there would be very little needed to update Seeker's writeup from that book for 5E - the changes between editions are minimal as they affect this character.

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by James Gillen

I think in some respects they're using Shugoshin (ex-Yakuza goon turned heroic swordsman) as the replacement Martial Artist archetype, given that he's been on both covers of The Ultimate Martial Artist, and fits the conception (unarmored fighter, mix of Japanese and Western influences) about as well.

 

JG

 

Not to mention adventuring without a shirt.

 

Shugoshin is also on the cover of the new Ninja HERO, and he's given a 5E writeup in Champions Universe. Personally I think he keeps making covers because his dragon tattoo and twin swords just look cool.

 

IIRC Steve Long once remarked that Shugoshin was originally just an unnamed character on the cover of 4E UMA, and later given a character sheet and background. Much like what happened to Foxbat.

[BNakagawa]

Evidently, Ninjitsu teaches you to run 52.5 MPH.

 

Sometimes, I write up high SPD characters who aren't supposed to be speedsters with lowered movement rates or with extra movement that only bumps their half moves so that they have good tactical mobility without being able to outrun horses.

 

Either that or extra movement that doesn't bump NCM.

 

$0.02

[sbarron]

Originally posted by BNakagawa

Evidently, Ninjitsu teaches you to run 52.5 MPH.

 

http://www.realultimatepower.net

 

Obviously, it does. Real ninjas (like Seeker) are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

[Metaphysician]

Considering that he's enough of an uberninja wuxia badass to run across the ground without, well, touching the ground, 52 MPH sprinting doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

And Seeker needed some update work, at least, since several of his powers and abilities at the very least had cost change.

[Agent X]

Looks like Seeker to me.

 

On Shugoshin: I think Sugoshin has more potential than Seeker but his background isn't the greatest. At least Seeker's is memorable.

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by BNakagawa

Evidently, Ninjitsu teaches you to run 52.5 MPH.

 

Sometimes, I write up high SPD characters who aren't supposed to be speedsters with lowered movement rates or with extra movement that only bumps their half moves so that they have good tactical mobility without being able to outrun horses.

 

Either that or extra movement that doesn't bump NCM.

 

$0.02

 

That does stretch credulity a bit, doesn't it? For my part I've given such characters an Infrequent, Slightly Impairing Physical Limitation: "Can't Run at Noncombat Speed."

[TheEmerged]

Originally posted by Lord Liaden

That does stretch credulity a bit, doesn't it? For my part I've given such characters an Infrequent, Slightly Impairing Physical Limitation: "Can't Run at Noncombat Speed."

 

You can actually justify this is psuedo-martial art mumbo jumbo. Their higher SPD is a function of moving at "true speed", and as such they're already using up the "extra" movement NCM would give them...

[Silverbullet]

This may be off the topic slightly, but does anyone know why Seeker was left out of 5th ed? Is he going to get put back in somewhere?

 

Just curious...

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Silverbullet

This may be off the topic slightly, but does anyone know why Seeker was left out of 5th ed? Is he going to get put back in somewhere?

 

Just curious...

I believe, he has been reduced to a comic book character replacing Nighthawk in a Champions franchised comic book. I think they could bring him back without contradicting this by having him come from an alternate Earth.

[Lord Liaden]

As I understand it, Seeker was left out because Steve Long didn't care for the character. As the Line Developer it's certainly his right and responsibility to decide which older characters are appropriate to update to the "new" CU.

 

Since Seeker never existed in the current CU timeline it's not inconceivable that a revised version of the character might make an appearance in future, but AFAIK Steve has no plans for it, and all things considered I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Silverbullet]

Thanks guys. Figured it was something like that. FYI in my game I had him killed at the Battle of Detroit. He died fighting by the side of Bill Harmon aka Defender; son of James Harmon the original Defender—the game takes place 20 years In the future. Bill is now a Senator gearing up for a run at the White House. His deep dark secret (among others) is he is haunted by the memory (ghost?) of Seeker. Anyway long story short these stats will help me for my game this weekend. I was really just curious if there was an official work on him that I had not heard…

[Rick]

Shugoshin, Japanese backround? HA!! Even W/those Giam (Jian), two chinese swords. The level of Confused asian sources in the Hero Martial arts book's characters kills me.

[Storn]

Originally posted by Rick

Shugoshin, Japanese backround? HA!! Even W/those Giam (Jian), two chinese swords. The level of Confused asian sources in the Hero Martial arts book's characters kills me.

 

and you would be mistaken that we were confused. I was the one responsible for the original UMA cover and subsequent images of Shugoshin. It was decided early on to have a figure who could represent several facets of martial artsdom visually. Yes, he has Jians...but he is 1/2 Japanese, 1/2 Chinese. The look and background was quite purposeful, I assure you. He is a bridge between several worlds... whether you think that is ridiculous or not, remains to be seen.

[Rick]

I don't have a problem W/it, in a way that makes me angree or turns me off. I actually "bother" me, I still love the art and books. I've no doubt that you and the creators of these characters (I don't own champions which is where Shugoshin's write up is if I'm not mistaken).

 

Truth is the only picture I can think that was a real blending of styles was the pic of the Chinese warrion on the cover of Ninja Hero (W/the 3-section Staff) who later appears in what looks like full chinese garb, wielding Katana. now that I look at it again she is standing between the Chinese and Japanese view points....SO MAYBE I WAS TALKING OUT OF ME ASS, IN MY LAST POST...whats your point.

[Lord Liaden]

Originally posted by Storn

and you would be mistaken that we were confused. I was the one responsible for the original UMA cover and subsequent images of Shugoshin. It was decided early on to have a figure who could represent several facets of martial artsdom visually. Yes, he has Jians...but he is 1/2 Japanese, 1/2 Chinese. The look and background was quite purposeful, I assure you. He is a bridge between several worlds... whether you think that is ridiculous or not, remains to be seen.

 

When you say 1/2 Japanese and 1/2 Chinese, Storn, do you mean just in his visual motifs? His CU background writeup says Kenji Hayashida's father was an American serviceman, and he's described as having "mixed Japanese and Western features."

[Rick]

Really now....Is that so?

[Agent X]

Originally posted by Rick

Shugoshin, Japanese backround? HA!! Even W/those Giam (Jian), two chinese swords. The level of Confused asian sources in the Hero Martial arts book's characters kills me.

Did you read anything about the character? Are you aware of the familiarity China and Japan share with one another? Are you aware of the historical influence of China on Japan?

 

Never mind. Old post waiting for send command.