Guest Admiral C Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Whoah! Thread necromancy of the Third Kind! I guess the fourth kind would be PDF scans of hand written notes from high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Definately Elric. He's on a whole different scale from Conan. Conan's adventures are Powerful Heroic. Elric's are Low powered Superheroic, and later on in his series, it graduates to full fledged Standard Superheroic and beyond. Stormbringer simply gives Elric far too many advantages. The least of which if Elric were to even scratch Conan with the blade, Conan's Strength and Endurance would be cut in half (at least). And Stormbringer doesn't even need souls to make Elric stronger...he gains more strength simply from grasping the hilt, even before the killing starts. Taking a soul simply gives him more energy. If he takes the soul of an Elemental, Demon or Demigod, his physical abilities rise to ridiculous levels. No way Conan can win this fight. Lets not even talk about if, Elric summons an Elemental Lord, whom he has pacts with due to his royal heritage. He could throw Elementals at Conan for hours to wear him down, then when Conan's strength is taxed, move in for the kill. However, this is assuming that Elric doesn't have a scantily clad barbarian hottie captive. If Elric were to be dense enough to threaten the life of some potential puntang for Conan, not even Stormbringer will be able to stop the Hyperborian monstrosity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Definately Elric. He's on a whole different scale from Conan. Conan's adventures are Powerful Heroic. Elric's are Low powered Superheroic, and later on in his series, it graduates to full fledged Standard Superheroic and beyond. Stormbringer simply gives Elric far too many advantages. The least of which if Elric were to even scratch Conan with the blade, Conan's Strength and Endurance would be cut in half (at least). And Stormbringer doesn't even need souls to make Elric stronger...he gains more strength simply from grasping the hilt, even before the killing starts. Taking a soul simply gives him more energy. If he takes the soul of an Elemental, Demon or Demigod, his physical abilities rise to ridiculous levels. No way Conan can win this fight. Lets not even talk about if, Elric summons an Elemental Lord, whom he has pacts with due to his royal heritage. He could throw Elementals at Conan for hours to wear him down, then when Conan's strength is taxed, move in for the kill. However, this is assuming that Elric doesn't have a scantily clad barbarian hottie captive. If Elric were to be dense enough to threaten the life of some potential puntang for Conan, not even Stormbringer will be able to stop the Hyperborian monstrosity! Well said. You've saved me from the tedious task of typing out my response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weapon Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric If you are asking who would defeat whom then I will pick Conan. Everyone knows Conan has +10 combat levels versus wizards/demons/demi-gods and +5 combat levels with incantation "Crom." Even against mooks Conan gets injured every so often. Elric is a champion, so he'll hit at least once. And with Stormbringer that's all you need. Elric in the fifth, by a soul-destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weapon Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric I (unfortunately) don't know much about Elric, but I do know Conan, and this is what would happen if he was about to battle someone with an Artifact: He would (through happenstance) find the Opposite to the Artificat, fight the "Bad Guy", win (of course), get the girl, ride off with her, loose interest in her, gamble the artifact away (I'm serious, I know of at least one occasion where this happened), and wake up destitute and looking for mercenenary work. I have read a lot of Conan... Oh right, I forgot about Mournblade. Yeah if he can find that (and it's an extremely valuable object probably owned by wizards and guarded by monsters, so the odds are good) then the advantage of Stormbringer is nullified. Of course with Mournblade in his hand there's little Elric can summon that Conan doesn't immediately kill so it's down to hand to hand. First to get a hit in wins and though Elric's good he's not Conan. Conan walks away with both swords, or tries to and they kill him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weapon Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Conan is smart enough to kill a wizard as quick as possible. Conan's practically a genius wrt combat. Lets face it, he's fought wizards, flying demons, snakes so big they swallow you without doing that unhinging thing, apes, pretty much anything that a Howard could think up. Each of these requires different techniques, and he doesn't get a time out to think about it. Basically assume that he adapts to any new combat factor within a VERY brief time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Give Conan Mournblade? Conan hands down. Just Conan from his books vs Elric from his books, Elrick would squash him, but if you were to even the odds by giving Conan Mournblade, then Conan would dominate Elric. (assuming the same number and strength of souls absorbed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Admittedly I haven't read all REH's Conan stories, but he strikes me as remarkably lucky in overcoming foes with massive tactical advantages time and again. By contrast, you can probably find a picture of Elric in some dictionaries next to the word "misfortune." While Elric is the vastly more powerful of the two between his sorcery, his legendary artifact sword, and the favor of his patron demon-god, Conan would probably stumble across the key to defeating him by chance and either kill him or leave him defeated, weaponless and weakly moaning like Edgar Winter after a 5-day bender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Elric: "If you would be so kind as to let me kill a few spear carriers with my hellsword first, I'd be more than happy to engage you in a duel." Conan: "DIE, PALE DEVIL DOG!" Elric: "Arioch!" Conan: "What?" Arioch: "Oo, yummy!" Conan: "Crom!" (dies) Arioch: "You owe me, son of Melniboné." Elric: "Whatever." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steamteck Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Elric: "If you would be so kind as to let me kill a few spear carriers with my hellsword first, I'd be more than happy to engage you in a duel." Conan: "DIE, PALE DEVIL DOG!" Elric: "Arioch!" Conan: "What?" Arioch: "Oo, yummy!" Conan: "Crom!" (Arioch:dies) Conan: "You owe me, son of Melniboné." Elric: "Whatever." Fixed that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Next question: Conan and Elric vs. Xena and Gabrielle. FIGHT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Next question: Conan and Elric vs. Xena and Gabrielle. FIGHT! Conan shags Xena and Gabrielle, seperately and at the same time. Elric angsts about not getting any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loladin Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Oh right, I forgot about Mournblade. Yeah if he can find that (and it's an extremely valuable object probably owned by wizards and guarded by monsters, so the odds are good) then the advantage of Stormbringer is nullified. Of course with Mournblade in his hand there's little Elric can summon that Conan doesn't immediately kill so it's down to hand to hand. First to get a hit in wins and though Elric's good he's not Conan. Conan walks away with both swords, or tries to and they kill him. Wrong again =( If you ve read Elric you would understand that when a wielder of SB and a wielder of MB meet its then up to SB vs MB and the wielders have nothing to do with the fight. (As when elric met Yrkoon both wielding the cursed swords) Bad thing is that people view the swords as swords. Well i tell you that the swords are entities of free will that surpass even gods. At the destruction of the world of Elric the only thing left was Stormbringer laughing taking a different form and jumping again through the multiuniverse. So dont underevaluate SB as a mere sword. It symbolizes the ultimate entity, call it god, or universe or the ultimate truth i dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loladin Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Give Conan Mournblade? Conan hands down. Just Conan from his books vs Elric from his books, Elrick would squash him, but if you were to even the odds by giving Conan Mournblade, then Conan would dominate Elric. (assuming the same number and strength of souls absorbed) As i wrote before the wielders in this case have nothing to do with the fight. Its a matter of SB vs MB. And last time that happened Stormbringer was the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric In the end, there is no way to resolve these questions. The stories take place in different universes, different realities with different assumptions and rules. Meh. Throw a third reality into the mix. Stormbringer stabs the protagonist from my fantasy novel (in progress). Her soul is poison to the runesword, and it is destroyed. Story over in one chapter. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Conan shags Xena and Gabrielle' date=' seperately and at the same time. Elric angsts about not getting any. [/quote'] Elric gets his share of ladies too, so he may not strike out. Of course, he may end up with Callisto instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric His ladies are always the helpless damsel types that are constantly getting kidnapped by his enemies and killed just before he can save them. I don't think Xena or Gabrielle fits the requirement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Being an Elric girl is not nearly as much fun as being a Conan girl or a Bond girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Being an Elric girl is not nearly as much fun as being a Conan girl or a Bond girl. The survival rate isn't what you'd call great for any of them, but Elric girls suffer the most in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric IIRC Stormbringer doesn't just suck up entire souls from every little wound it inflicts. It needs to land a solid, killing blow to draw soul energy, and has to stay stuck in a person's body for at least a few seconds to drain their souls dry. (You know, discussing what's really an abominable practice in such dry, factual terms strikes me as decidedly ghoulish.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric IIRC, some stories featured Elric taking down a mountain of mooks swinging Stormbringer in wide arcs so he could just nick them and drain their souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric The save vs. Stormbinger's soul drain probably takes a penalty based on how much damage is done by the hit. Mooks... don't have that high a save, so the amount of damage done is pretty much redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric I know you didn't just bring up saving throws in a FH thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric I know you didn't just bring up saving throws in a FH thread. Why not? You can add an NND that can't affect someone who makes a CON roll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Re: Conan vs. Elric Okay, to translate into HEROese... Conan, being a mighty hero who routinely battles wizards, has some points of Power Defense, which conviently take a lot of the bite out of the Soul Drain. The mooks... don't. And for that matter, probably can't come close to matching Conan's 20+ CON and BODY either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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