Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

[Lord Liaden]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Let's also not forget that this is the Champions Universe, where the premier anti-superterrorist organization is a UN agency that's actually well-organized and effective.

 

Given that, a top-notch EU superteam isn't that much of a stretch.

[Konji]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Germany sends Der Krieghund, with his amazing power to speak with Dogs. He can also call local dogs to his aid, and turn into a large dog. None of these dogs have any special powers; they're just dogs.

 

And so on.

 

 

Yo... That is _too_ funny.

 

 

It does make sense for there to be a Euroguard. UNITY cannot allows be there... and there is the political side as well that has been discussed.

[JmOz]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

In my world the premeire super team (centurians) have 100 members scattered into smaller squads around the world.

 

Four of them are located in the general european area. Note In the area, two of them are not technicaly in europe (Paris, London, Moscow, Cario).

 

This is over 25% of there combined strength, not including the German or Egyption member on the Lunar team, or any of the 25% of the team that is not a member of a smaller squad who happens to live in the area (or visiting, most of the "Specilists" travel a lot)

 

The most European of the teams is the Paris France team, having members from various countries

[freakboy6117]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

NATO seems to work pretty well so the idea of a coordinated response to major threats from European countries isn’t far fetched and with a standing threat from euro star the European parliament would probably be under great pressure to create a suitable defense. This pressure would be especially strong from the members from smaller nations with low super human populations.

 

Organizationally membership is based on nomination each nation is allowed to submit one member to the team then new members can be nominated there is a cap on the number of members from each nation to prevent one nations heroes dominating inmost of the larger nations contribute 2-3 with Germany France and the UK all contributing 5 the maximum. There are a few members who are not from EURO nations Switzerland contributes 1 as does Turkey.

 

The team leader selects the main team, which has between 5-10 members. Who is in turn elected by a popular vote open to all members? Usually held once a year but also immediately should the leader be incapacitated resign or following a vote of no confidence

 

Currently there are over 50 members representing sizeable chunk of the European superhuman population but only between 5 and 10 are active at any one time the rest are reserves usually attached to other national teams.

The current team leader can call upon any members though they have the right to refuse. The team also has a number of specialists with limited powers, which can be very helpful in some situations.

 

Rumors of a covert operations wing of the euro guard specializing in espionage counter terrorism and possibly even black ops have been strenuously denied.

 

Some current members

 

 

FINLAND

 

ROHKEUS

Courage that what it takes for a small country with a limited army to stand up to the might of the red army and it takes even more to win and teats exactly what the Finns did in 1939 and in amongst that conflict always where the danger was greatest where resolve was weakest was a man whose somehow manage to turn the tide of battle like the very embodiment of courage and resolve with tactical genius to boot leading to victory. Always more than a mere man he inspired others to superhuman feat. Even he is unsure why he has lived so long but he is still there the embodiment of finish grit.

 

Tietokone taikuri

Was once mealy a very skilled computer science student/hacker until he discovered his great grand mother had been involved in witch craft he found the subject fascinating reading everything he could on witchcraft. He envisioned magic as a means to hack reality he managed to work out how to interface a computer with mystic rites now he is the computerwizard.

 

FRANCE

 

Le Souterrain

Guardian of the depths of Paris. A shadowy figure who inhabits the twisting passages of the sewers and catacombs of the ancient city fighting evil.

 

The grand logician

The world’s greatest philosopher not all super geniuses go into the sciences after all.

 

Liberté

A valiant female member of the resistance during world war two when she was captured by the nazis no one thought she would survive but she did and escaped but the torture followed by strange experiments had done something to her she returned a changed woman stronger faster she tore through the nazis becoming a legend disappearing after the war she returns periodically to help France remain free.

 

GERMANY

 

The baroness

One of the worlds most agile and graceful flying metahumans. A descendant of the legendary baron von Richthofen aka the Red Baron.

 

Layla aka the bitch

A quarter were-wolf layla is a detective attached to europol her supernatural strength and agility makes her a formidable combatant but she truly excels in investigation where her keen senses come in handy.

 

GREECE

The Olympian a Greek Olympic decathlon athlete after an injury ruined his chances of competing in the Athens Olympics he suffered a crisis of confidence traveling to the site of the ancient games to attempt t reconnect to his love of competition and there amongst the statues of great Olympians he found a band of olive leaves

He placed it on his head thinking it merely a tourist souvenir but as he did he was washed over with a the spirit of the games experiencing the joy of victory and the pain of defeated the thrill and excitement of the competition he was the games embodied and flowing through him he had the strength and ability of the greatest athletes ever to compete in the games.

 

 

ITALY

Enzo

Young fearless Italian speedster embodies all the worst stereotypes about Italian men a womanizing style conscious and most of all a total speed addict. His costume is made of Ferrari red leather

 

SPAIN

The surrealist

A potent Meta human he claims to be possessed by the spirit of DALI his powers warp his foes perception of reality.

SWEDEN

MR. ICE

The man with ice water for blood as the Swedish tabloids named him when he was thrust into the limelight by an act of extraordinary heroism. He was contacted by a genius inventor he wanted to become a super hero but didn’t have the attitude for it [he was in fact a craven coward] but MR. ice did and with his inventions he became an even greater hero.

 

 

MALTA

The Cross

sword wielding martial artist last in the line of Maltese knights tasked with defending a holy relic the relic imbues its possessor with power beyond mortal men and thus must never fall into the hands of evil.

 

 

AUSTRIA

BELGIUM

DENMARK

IRELAND

LUXEMBOURG

THE NETHERLANDS

PORTUGAL

UNITED KINGDOM

CYPRUS

CZECH REPUBLIC

ESTONIA

HUNGARY

LATVIA

LITHUANIA

POLAND

SLOVAKIA

SLOVENIA

[CBikle]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

If the EU did have its own herogroup, its primary purpose would probably be the protection and advancement of European economic interests and a lot of pro-bono work for P.R. purposes. Essentially, it'd be a well-funded corporate supergroup.

[Rapier]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

The problem with Europe having a superteam is the same problem with North America havign a super team. You can only be one so many places at once (for some characters they can be in a couple different places at once ). The current superteam in my campaign are part of the Texas Rangers. The Rangers have superteams set up in most of the large cities in Texas, as well, as some troubleshooting/hot spot teams that travel around to where they are needed.

 

Europe most definately needs supers. But what it needs is superteams.

 

If you take the theoretical breakdown of superteams in the US:

 

Federal Government

Military

State Government

City Government

Private Corporation

Public Coproration

Private Citizen

 

And draw parallels to Europe, you would be on the right track. Switzerland has their own Superteam (The ArmyKnives...heh). Zurich has its own superteam. etc.

[Batman]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Let's also not forget that this is the Champions Universe, where the premier anti-superterrorist organization is a UN agency that's actually well-organized and effective.

 

Given that, a top-notch EU superteam isn't that much of a stretch.

 

A super-effective UN military organization...

 

You have a point there. A top-notch EU superteam isn't that much of a stretch at all.

[Guest WhammeWhamme]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

A super-effective UN military organization...

 

You have a point there. A top-notch EU superteam isn't that much of a stretch at all.

 

If people KEEP harping on about UNTIL, I will be forced to fight back.

 

There are a million implausibilities in the CU setting, and UNTIL is far from being the most extreme.

 

Criticism of the United Nations DOES NOT belong in the Champions forum, and if [self censored] Americans and others feel some BURNING desire to raise them, go over to NGD. I'll be waiting for you, you [self censored].

[Kristopher]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

**snrt**

 

I think we have a different opinion on where UNTIL lies on a ranking of CU implausibilities. Let's just say that I think it's entirely justifiable to bring up UNTIL in response to the claim that an official EU superteam is implausible.

[altamaros]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

There ! there ! a pretext to display my euro-fanatism, yoohoo !!

 

and, in my young days -1996- i did something like this: after watching too much "Mask" and "Mission:impossible", the idea was to creat a team of 15-20 members (one per country) and for each mission, select the best agents for said mission.

 

Euro Star is bad news.

Very bad.

Eurostar also chiefly operates in Europe. They're a ruthless, powerful, effective group of super human psycho paths bent on uniting Europe the hard way under Fiacho... IIRC.

and they even have a website : http://www.eurostar.com

 

And do you think it's a good idea in the 'official' champions U, since we're getting "Champions: Worldwide" and such soon?

 

The best supers would be on the national teams.

Sadly, i must that you're right on this.

forget all patriot archetypes.

 

I would find it hard to see the EU running their own group of superheroes' date=' considering the fact that they failed to implement a multi-national EU army the last time around...[/quote']

I don't to make this thread something political but it didn't fail (yet) it's just moving slowly. and the delays are mainly due to a strong opposition from the USA. You will find easliy articles and analysis on all that on the web if you're interested.

 

if someone wants to speak about this, please copy-paste this to the NGD board and let's go there.

 

If it did exist' date=' it would most CERTAINLY conflict with national interests. France and Germany would be politicking for joint control, Poland and the other East European countries would try to elevate themselves from the secondary status they currently hold, while the UK tries to hold everything together, believing [incorrectly?'] that its still the leading nation in the entire EU. It would take a lot of research to loosen all the knots surrounding the mystery known as the EU, but the possibilities are, to say the least, interesting.

likely for points 1) and 2) (france, germany, poland); unlikely for point 3) UK is mainly seen as a loose cannon within EU; Tony Blair is the first real pro-european prime minister of UK. so, it would stay apart even more than the others.

However, the fight against terrorism has seldom been a problem within UE. Tensions are mainly commercial and political. Europol is the proof of this.

 

What would it be called (Using "Euroguard" but obviously other names might apply)

Euroguard is fine; they don't have a lot of imagination in Brussels. (you cannot imagine the strife about the naming of the common currency -euro- anything was meaning something bad in at least another language)

 

How do you think it would be set up and run?

Legally : the EU has (theorically) not a military vocation so the very first choice would probably be NATO (currently lead by the dutch Jaap de Hoop Scheffer) but only as a footstart. the participation of non-european countries (you, US guys!) would probably lead to a independent structure after.

Since 1999, there is Europol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europol or http://www.europol.eu.int/ this structure in the real world has only a role of support to the national law enforcement organisations but in the CU, it can easily be transformed in something more efficient - they did it for the UN after all-

against Eurostar as a terrorist team, there's also a director of coordination for anti-terrorism -for NATO, Europol and the national polices - currently it's the dutch Gijs de Vries.

finally, Europol has a partnership with UN. So, in the CU, it would mean a partnership with UNTIL as well.

If i count on 20 supers from all Europe in the team. i would divide in at least 4 teams of 5 supers with possibilities of shifting according to missions.

 

Where would be a good place to base it?

1) close to the institutions since Eurostar will mainly target them. Europol HQ are in The Hague (Netherlands)

2) not in countries with national super teams (simply because it's better not to concentrate all the supers in one place and let some places undefended)

3) close of densely populated areas (since the villains are likely to attack there).

4) within the borders of EU (so, not in Switzerland)

 

my own suggestions :

 

- Euroguard Atlantic : based in Dublin (Ireland). has the charge of western Europe (UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal and maybe Iceland if this country is part of the program -Iceland is not a member of EU-) Pratically England will certainly let aside due to its important population of supers.

- Euroguard Baltic : based in Stockholm (Danmark). has the charge of Scandinavia (Danmark, Sweden, Finland) and baltian countries (Estonia, Latvia, lettonia) maybe Norway if it's part of the program.

- Euroguard Egean: formerly based in Rome but likely to move to ljubjana after the enlargement in charge of Italy, Greece, Slovenia, Austria, Czech republic, Hungaria, Slovaquia)

- Euroguard North : based in the Hague (to be close of the institutions) in charge of Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg.

[death tribble]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

When I first did a superteam based in Britain the government had to catch up with us. So they weren't that bothered about national agenda. End of the day what the supers were bothered about was saving lives.

 

They were banned from Switzerland after one conflict though mainly through their own arrogance.

[Lord Liaden]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

If people KEEP harping on about UNTIL, I will be forced to fight back.

 

There are a million implausibilities in the CU setting, and UNTIL is far from being the most extreme.

 

Criticism of the United Nations DOES NOT belong in the Champions forum, and if [self censored] Americans and others feel some BURNING desire to raise them, go over to NGD. I'll be waiting for you, you [self censored].

 

My apologies, WhammeWhamme. It wasn't my intention to raise any political issues about the United Nations. I support that group and consider it important and useful, although I do believe there are areas where its effectiveness in recent years can and should be criticized.

 

In this case, though, my remarks were tongue-in-cheek, playing on perceptions of the UN for the sake of a joke. I realize that they could easily be misinterpreted, though, and I'm sorry that they caused you offense.

[Agent X]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Look, there's nothing wrong with bringing up the organizational difficulties of the UN. There was no UN bashing, no need to tell someone to "take it to the NGD", and no need to apologize. The UN is an organization representing the intrests of scads of different states. It's legitimate to recognize the difficulties in doing that. It's not legitimate to have a knee-jerk reaction when someone does bring it up.

 

I think folks need to be a little less politically sensitive. If someone wants to bring up campaign issues that highlight the UN's problems or use a particular Presidency for a Conspiracy Theory in their game, folks need to let it go. From what I can tell, the folks who are saying "take it to the NGD" are the ones who have a political agenda.

 

If you bring up UNTIL, why wouldn't you bring up the UN warts and all?

If you bring up Euroguard, why wouldn't you bring up the EU warts and all?

If you want to run an Ameriforce 2 campaign, wouldn't you want to address U.S. military and government issues warts and all?

 

If someone is offended that someone would do so, they made a choice to be so offended. Now, there is a limit. If someone starts going through a case by case analysis for or against someone and presenting documentation and so on - they need to "take it to the NGD."

 

So, to all those folks who get upset on Champions when they realize the other guy doesn't like Nixon, McCarthy, Carter, Clinton, Reagan, the EU, France, or the UN; Let it go. Stop shouting about it being NGD material or stop with the rolling of eyes and just let it go.

[Lord Liaden]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Agent X, your position is valid and your passion is laudable. I'd just like to keep debate on this subject from spiralling any farther, because then it really would belong on NGD.

 

I'm not apologizing for my personal beliefs on any issue, just for not considering how my careless words might have caused an offense that I didn't intend. I agree with WhammeWhamme that further political discussion really doesn't belong on the Champions forum. You give excellent advice, Agent X: let's just let it go. IMHO the topic of this thread is more interesting anyway.

[altamaros]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

I'm not apologizing for my personal beliefs on any issue' date=' just for not considering how my careless words might have caused an offense that I didn't intend.[/quote']As a european and someone politically very pro-european myself; i wasn't offended by your words. i heard much worse on the NGD board.

[OddHat]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Of course, it will quickly become clear that certain nations, those with a higher per capita number of Super Villains (The UK, France, Germany) are receiving a disproportionate amount of attention from Euroguard. Nations with few or no Super Villains of their own (the Netherlands, Finland, Malta) will demand more proportionate funding.

 

This will be accomplished by encouraging waves of displaced Super Villains now being pushed up out of the Middle East to resettle in these formerly peaceful countries, with a small “Fantomas Stipend†being given for the development of secret bases, death traps, etc. Exciting new career opportunities as henchman and witless pawns will draw the unemployed of many nations to these new Euro-Evil Opportunity Areas.

[Rapier]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Of course, it will quickly become clear that certain nations, those with a higher per capita number of Super Villains (The UK, France, Germany) are receiving a disproportionate amount of attention from Euroguard. Nations with few or no Super Villains of their own (the Netherlands, Finland, Malta) will demand more proportionate funding.

 

This will be accomplished by encouraging waves of displaced Super Villains now being pushed up out of the Middle East to resettle in these formerly peaceful countries, with a small “Fantomas Stipend†being given for the development of secret bases, death traps, etc. Exciting new career opportunities as henchman and witless pawns will draw the unemployed of many nations to these new Euro-Evil Opportunity Areas.

Dr Destroyers Theory of Trickle Down Economic Conquering?

[Guest WhammeWhamme]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Look, there's nothing wrong with bringing up the organizational difficulties of the UN. There was no UN bashing, no need to tell someone to "take it to the NGD", and no need to apologize. The UN is an organization representing the intrests of scads of different states. It's legitimate to recognize the difficulties in doing that. It's not legitimate to have a knee-jerk reaction when someone does bring it up.

 

I think folks need to be a little less politically sensitive. If someone wants to bring up campaign issues that highlight the UN's problems or use a particular Presidency for a Conspiracy Theory in their game, folks need to let it go. From what I can tell, the folks who are saying "take it to the NGD" are the ones who have a political agenda.

 

If you bring up UNTIL, why wouldn't you bring up the UN warts and all?

If you bring up Euroguard, why wouldn't you bring up the EU warts and all?

If you want to run an Ameriforce 2 campaign, wouldn't you want to address U.S. military and government issues warts and all?

 

If someone is offended that someone would do so, they made a choice to be so offended. Now, there is a limit. If someone starts going through a case by case analysis for or against someone and presenting documentation and so on - they need to "take it to the NGD."

 

So, to all those folks who get upset on Champions when they realize the other guy doesn't like Nixon, McCarthy, Carter, Clinton, Reagan, the EU, France, or the UN; Let it go. Stop shouting about it being NGD material or stop with the rolling of eyes and just let it go.

 

If it was pertinent to the topic of discussion, sure, let's see where we can go with it.

 

Now here, saying that added nothing to the discussion.

 

You know what REALLY annoyed me? Someone making a post that was NOTHING but agreeing with that sentiment. Had they actually taken the time to, you know, _add value_, it wouldn't have been NEARLY as offensive.

 

I really _don't_ have a political agenda, but if someone wishes to UN bash for the sake of UN bashing... there's a designated forum. GO THERE.

[Guest WhammeWhamme]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

**snrt**

 

I think we have a different opinion on where UNTIL lies on a ranking of CU implausibilities. Let's just say that I think it's entirely justifiable to bring up UNTIL in response to the claim that an official EU superteam is implausible.

 

Let's just say that I put it somewhere below "People actually acting like Superheroes".

 

Because if say any of the other things that leapt to mind, I'll have to tell _myself_ to change forums.

[Agent X]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

If it was pertinent to the topic of discussion, sure, let's see where we can go with it.

 

Now here, saying that added nothing to the discussion.

The comparison of the real world UN to the fictional UN to highlight that the protests that the fictional EU couldn't plausibly have a superteam is pertinent. Your inferences are what weren't pertinent. The Champions Universe United Nations is a very different animal than the real United Nations. It is more proactive, more organized, has essentially its own army and intelligence network, and a lot more money. There is no reason that anyone should believe the European Union wouldn't be capable of cooperating more effectively in the published Champions Universe and folks shouldn't really regard forming a superteam to be a particularly difficult thing for the European Union to do. The politics of it aren't that demanding considering the frequency of supers in the CU and, if New York can have three or four superteams that organized themselves by accident, I'm pretty sure the EU could get one superteam organized by design.

[nexus]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

If people KEEP harping on about UNTIL, I will be forced to fight back.

 

Fight back? Are you the UN?

 

There are a million implausibilities in the CU setting, and UNTIL is far from being the most extreme.

 

Criticism of the United Nations DOES NOT belong in the Champions forum, and if [self censored] Americans and others feel some BURNING desire to raise them, go over to NGD. I'll be waiting for you, you [self censored].

 

You know kind of responded to something you felt was a bigoted attack with a bigoted attack. I'm a [self Censored] American and I've got nothing against the UN. Its a perfectly On topic comment given the nature of the thread, IMO. No reason to go ballistic.

[Alibear]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

The 1st thing that strikes me is that Eurostar wants to bring a European Superstate to fruition! If Eurogaurd comes into force then they will be on track to make this happen. The closer the EU states work the happier Eurostar is?

 

We already have several EU-wided agencies, my wife works in one of them, The Eurpean Patent Office....

 

http://www.epo.org ...based in Munich with an office in the Hague.

 

European Trademarks Office, based in Seville, the office concerned with Vets(Name witheld 'cos I can't remeber it) based in Dublin etc

 

 

 

Eurogaurd, if it falls in line with the other agencies will have 3 languages as standard, and all agents will probably be forced to learn them, with exception of the grunts AKA. Supers. In fact you wouldn't get a job in it if you didn't speak 2 fluently and the other for 1 point!!

 

To entice non-supers to work for them, support staff, agents and what have you, will all be paid TAX FREE!!!!

 

It will be based in a city not currently endowed with a Eurowide agency for political reasons and ecenomic reasons.

 

It will be headed by a Politician not a Super unless that Super is a Politician 1st and Super 2nd!

 

It will have 3 names, English, German and French versions.

 

 

To reiterate this would be seen as a minor victory by Eurostar if it actually came to pass. (IMHO)

[caris]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

I always presumed that EuroStar perceived the EEU a victory in and of itself. Of course, my version is slightly warpped from the official version. They have no actual desire to rule Europe or the world. Their goal is to unify Europe is fairly alturistic, but they are willing to kill, maim and destroy to get it. My EuroStar usually does not attack any EU buildings or organisations. Instead they focus on nationalistic institutions, non-European institutions (mainly American and Japanese), and multi-national organizations with strong non-European influences (UN and NATO).

[Guest WhammeWhamme]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

Fight back? Are you the UN?

 

 

 

You know kind of responded to something you felt was a bigoted attack with a bigoted attack. I'm a [self Censored] American and I've got nothing against the UN. Its a perfectly On topic comment given the nature of the thread, IMO. No reason to go ballistic.

 

trust me, you're not [self Censored]. Some useful descriptive language got edited out there.

 

And no, I'm not the UN. Yet.

[Guest WhammeWhamme]

Re: Should the 5th CU have a "Euro Guard"?

 

The comparison of the real world UN to the fictional UN to highlight that the protests that the fictional EU couldn't plausibly have a superteam is pertinent. Your inferences are what weren't pertinent. The Champions Universe United Nations is a very different animal than the real United Nations. It is more proactive' date=' more organized, has essentially its own army and intelligence network, and a lot more money. There is no reason that anyone should believe the European Union wouldn't be capable of cooperating more effectively in the published Champions Universe and folks shouldn't really regard forming a superteam to be a particularly difficult thing for the European Union to do. The politics of it aren't that demanding considering the frequency of supers in the CU and, if New York can have three or four superteams that organized themselves by accident, I'm pretty sure the EU could get one superteam organized by design.[/quote']

 

Given how little organization it takes to form a CU superteam, there was no need to use anything else to prove the point.

 

The jokingly insulting references to UNTIL as "the most implausible aspect of the CU" really grates. It's funny the first few times, maybe, but people just repeat it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER...

 

And it would have been possible to use UNTIL as an example without taking cheap shots at the RL UN. Which would have been enough.