BoloOfEarth Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Scientifically inaccurate, unmade, and still a better movie than Ep. 1-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I had a retaining wall made of railroad ties that fell. I was looking for a cheap way to replace it. This is a picture of a retaining wall made of stacked bags of concrete mix. You lay a row and wet it with the hose. Gravity, fluidity, and the miracle of concrete makes it work. The paper bags come off and it looks like stacked stone. [ATTACH]43970[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Celt Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I had a retaining wall made of railroad ties that fell. I was looking for a cheap way to replace it. This is a picture of a retaining wall made of stacked bags of concrete mix. You lay a row and wet it with the hose. Gravity, fluidity, and the miracle of concrete makes it work. The paper bags come off and it looks like stacked stone. [ATTACH]43970[/ATTACH] Brick in a bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I had a retaining wall made of railroad ties that fell. I was looking for a cheap way to replace it. This is a picture of a retaining wall made of stacked bags of concrete mix. You lay a row and wet it with the hose. Gravity, fluidity, and the miracle of concrete makes it work. The paper bags come off and it looks like stacked stone. [ATTACH]43970[/ATTACH] Did you make that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I had a retaining wall made of railroad ties that fell. I was looking for a cheap way to replace it. This is a picture of a retaining wall made of stacked bags of concrete mix. You lay a row and wet it with the hose. Gravity, fluidity, and the miracle of concrete makes it work. The paper bags come off and it looks like stacked stone. [ATTACH]43970[/ATTACH] Buy some cheap rebar, dig a trench and cement the rebar in place. Then drop the bags of cement onto the rebar so that it punches through the bags as you stack them. Then water the whole thing, and you get a reinforced retaining wall as well. Assuming that you needed the reinforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Did you make that one? Nope. My project has not yet begun. My wall only needs to be 4' high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Buy some cheap rebar' date=' dig a trench and cement the rebar in place. Then drop the bags of cement onto the rebar so that it punches through the bags as you stack them. Then water the whole thing, and you get a reinforced retaining wall as well. Assuming that you needed the reinforcement.[/quote'] My wall will simply be erosion control and, the research I've done says I won't need the rebar (I had considered it) as the compression of the bags should lock it together tightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures After some more research, rebar can't hurt, so I'll be doing that. Also, another neat picture. The state of Texas built a basin simply using unopened bag of concrete, rebar, and water. [ATTACH]43981[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures If the wall is for errosion control, consider placing some drainage behind the wall. Just a PVC pipe with holes in it on the bottom, then gravel over the pipe and sandwitched between the wall and the soil. It should add some longevity to the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures If the wall is for errosion control' date=' consider placing some drainage behind the wall. Just a PVC pipe with holes in it on the bottom, then gravel over the pipe and sandwitched between the wall and the soil. It should add some longevity to the wall.[/quote'] Yeah, I'm going to build a french drain behind it after the first few courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escafarc Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Is it french because it helps the water run away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Is it french because it helps the water run away? No, it's French because it successfully diverts an invading force into a place where it can be eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures After some more research, rebar can't hurt, so I'll be doing that. Also, another neat picture. The state of Texas built a basin simply using unopened bag of concrete, rebar, and water. [ATTACH]43981[/ATTACH] Yup. Rebar can't hurt, unless you get hit by it. I studied architecture in college before getting diverted to IT. As you probably already learned in your research, rebar provides several benefits to a structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Yup. Rebar can't hurt' date=' unless you get hit by it. I studied architecture in college before getting diverted to IT. As you probably already learned in your research, rebar provides several benefits to a structure.[/quote'] Yes. I've worked with poured structures and the more I study this method, despite the short rise, the more I think that tying it together will give me peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Yes. I've worked with poured structures and the more I study this method' date=' despite the short rise, the more I think that tying it together will give me peace of mind.[/quote'] have you looked into basalt reinforcing mesh? lots of tricksty things you can do using that stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevelon Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Yes. I've worked with poured structures and the more I study this method' date=' despite the short rise, the more I think that tying it together will give me peace of mind.[/quote'] More DEF is always a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures have you looked into basalt reinforcing mesh? lots of tricksty things you can do using that stuff.... I'm familiar with it, but after being quoted between $12,000 and $18,000 to replace the retaining wall, I decided that I: A) Needed something that would look good Didn't require that I use a backhoe to lift the materials to the top row of the wall C) Inexpensive and solid D) Required minimum forming and shoring E) Did not require a pump truck As a result, mesh (as opposed to rebar) would not work with what is, essentially, a variation on earthbag construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures between $12' date='000 and $18,000 to replace the retaining wall[/quote'] Yikes. I guess 4' is a pretty big wall though, if you're doing it by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Yikes. I guess 4' is a pretty big wall though' date=' if you're doing it by hand.[/quote'] Which is why I'll be recruiting some help and using the earthbag/cement idea. I can lay 8-10 rows of concrete bags without killing myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures I had a retaining wall made of railroad ties that fell. I was looking for a cheap way to replace it. This is a picture of a retaining wall made of stacked bags of concrete mix. You lay a row and wet it with the hose. Gravity, fluidity, and the miracle of concrete makes it work. The paper bags come off and it looks like stacked stone. [ATTACH]43970[/ATTACH] Wouldn't the paper of those bags keep a good bond from forming between them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Wouldn't the paper of those bags keep a good bond from forming between them? Apparently it's quite the reverse. The fiber in the paper helps the bond and allows the small amount of wet cement to pass through the paper and form its own mortar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrix3 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Apparently it's quite the reverse. The fiber in the paper helps the bond and allows the small amount of wet cement to pass through the paper and form its own mortar. Just what I was going to say. From what I understand, it's similar to putting straw in the mud/clay when making your own bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Re: "Neat" Pictures Apparently it's quite the reverse. The fiber in the paper helps the bond and allows the small amount of wet cement to pass through the paper and form its own mortar. Just what I was going to say. From what I understand' date=' it's similar to putting straw in the mud/clay when making your own bricks.[/quote'] Okay. I have no experience with it to draw upon. But there are two layers of paper back-to-back when using stacked bags, which in my thoughts would tend to keep the concretes in the bags separated. Unless the paper is made to be used in this way, and is/becomes more permeable then I would normally think for a bag for storage/protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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