Hyper-Man Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 I have not followed either FF or the X-Titles enough to know much about how their fire control powers differ other than that Pyro can't self start a flame. I know that Human Torch has more variety (flight, damage shield, arguably a Force Field, etc.) I am thinking more in terms of what would happen if Pyro tried to turn off Johnny's flame? HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? To put it in Champions terms, Johnny's got more Active Points in his fire powers than Pyro can negate with his Suppress. Johnny might weaken, but I doubt Pyro could snuff him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted December 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Have they ever actually fought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Have they ever actually fought? Not to my knowledge (and it seems unlikely they will, given that Pyro is dead and wasn't popular enough to warrant a resurrection). If you decide to use the old Marvel RPG system for comparisons (probably not the BEST idea), Johnny's Fire Control was of Unearthly (100) intensity, whereas Pyro was stooging around in the Incredible (40) to Amazing (50) range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? The Human Torch is virtually immune to all fire that's not cosmic or mystical in origin so there's nothing Pyro can do to hurt him. Even if Pyro were able to snuff-out the Torch's fire [if he somehow rolled all 6s] Johnny could still just walk over to him and punch his lights out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted December 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Not to my knowledge (and it seems unlikely they will' date=' given that Pyro is dead and wasn't popular enough to warrant a resurrection). If you decide to use the old Marvel RPG system for comparisons (probably not the BEST idea), Johnny's Fire Control was of Unearthly (100) intensity, whereas Pyro was stooging around in the Incredible (40) to Amazing (50) range.[/quote'] Cool, thanks HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? The Human Torch is virtually immune to all fire that's not cosmic or mystical in origin so there's nothing Pyro can do to hurt him. Even if Pyro were able to snuff-out the Torch's fire [if he somehow rolled all 6s] Johnny could still just walk over to him and punch his lights out. Yup. "Normally I say 'Flame On', but for you I think I'll use my pal Ben's phrase...'IT'S CLOBBERIN TIME!' " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? This one's easy. Human Troch, hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Oh please, :rolleyes: Johnny would totally school that creepy blimey mutant. He is the member of the first superhero team of the silver age. He has been doing pretty much what Pyro has been since long before and can even create fire. Hands down, he wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakboy6117 Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? isnt pyro an australian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? yes he is...er... was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? I was also of the mind that Johnny would simply punch him out. I cannot recall if Pyro was also Immune to flame. Pyro did create "Fire Constructs" much like Feurmacher, and I seem to recall that the constructs could attack as "Physical" so Johnny simply doesn't "flame on" he show's the two-bit novelist a knuckle sandwich. If Pyro had his blow torch harness, then Johnny merely needs to slag it and then snuff the flames before knuckle dusting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Actually, I'm seeing Johnny making Pyro cry by overloading him with so much flame of such intensity that Pyro just can't handle it. You know, one of those classic "You think you know what real power is?" moments. I believe Pyro has some flame immunity, but not on the order of what the Torch can conjure up. Punching just seems so...mundane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? I like the idea of Johnny just decking him one. For Torch, THAT would be new... on the other hand, he does like to show off, so overwhelming him might be more in that vein. And yes, Torch kicks Pyro around the block a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? isnt pyro an australian? He was British in his first few appearances, then he mutated into an Australian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? I believe Pyro has some flame immunity' date=' but not on the order of what the Torch can conjure up.[/quote'] My recollection is that Pyro was only immune to flame he was controlling. I seem to recall a story where his fuel pod was set aflame, and he had to quickly take control of the flames to prevent burning to death. That makes the fight even more one-sided. Pyro's only hope would be to snuff Johnny's flame while he's flying so he'll fall to death, and that's a tough goal for a guy who can't fly himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioKAOS Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? No contest. It's a closer fight between the Green Goblin and Galactus. [well ole Greeny beats Spidey on a regular basis, and Spidey beat Firelord and the Silver Surfer... Surfer has beaten Galactus, so logically... Green Goblin beats Galactus.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Ah, c'mon. That's not even a fair fight in the broadest, stretchiest, most unrecognizable interpretation of the word "fair". You must be trawling for post count to even suggest it.... Seriously though, Pyro is just not in the same league as the Human Torch. And thats a good thing in my book. Im really not fond of the uber-powerful type characters that have no real limits. I like the characters that do the best they can with what they have instead of just overpowering everything. The interesting thing about characters like Pyro is that they are not world bending dominators with goals and motivations so grandiose that they can only be found in comic books. Pyro was one of those characters who COULD HAVE BEEN a good guy. A few wrong decisions here, a misaligned attitude there, a really poor choice of companions that other time......He was a criminal in the sense that he was looking out for himself rather than the greater good, not in the "I blew up Detroit cuz I could" sort of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Obviously an easy win for Torch. Howabout you go in the opposite direction and have Torch vs. Iceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? No contest. It's a closer fight between the Green Goblin and Galactus. Now there's an interesting fight. Reminds me of Godzilla vs. Bambi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? My recollection is that Pyro was only immune to flame he was controlling. I seem to recall a story where his fuel pod was set aflame' date=' and he had to quickly take control of the flames to prevent burning to death.[/quote'] Shortly thereafter, he changed his costume to a fire-resistant fabric ... which *still* isn't enough to protect him from Johnny's fire, but at least it stops him from dying in an incredibly stupid manner. "Next you'll tell me that Iceman just got FROSTBITE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Shortly thereafter, he changed his costume to a fire-resistant fabric ... which *still* isn't enough to protect him from Johnny's fire, but at least it stops him from dying in an incredibly stupid manner. "Next you'll tell me that Iceman just got FROSTBITE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow_walker Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? This one's easy. Human Troch' date=' hands down.[/quote'] Second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow_walker Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? Make Millar the writer. Now Johnny has no powers' date=' he just thinks he does, and Pyro rapes him before killing him.[/quote'] That's a mental picture I could live without seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Human Torch vs. Pyro, who wins? That's a mental picture I could live without seeing. Sorry. My Millar hate was showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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