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In the board's opinion, what were the Most Powerful Avengers Group and the most Poular Avengers Group in the past 20 years? And if you want, also list from the entire Avengers checklist (100+ heroes) who do you think would make the most effective team, if it isn't reflected in the first two questions?

 

I'm asking because I'm in the process of creating a new hero group for a campaign that I'm in and I'm coming up dry for ideas. :cool:

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I think the most powerful was just after Wonderman came back to life. Then we saw the Beast, Wonderman, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Giant Man (Clint Barton Style), Hercules... hmmm, my memory is failing me, Yellow Jacket and the Wasp rounds it out. I think this was also the most popular with lots of character development in the stories (Beast & Wonderman walking back from a Roger Corman Festival anybody?)

 

The weak points were Caps Kooky Quartet and the dire period where the writers had changed drug suppliers and were freebasing crystal meth in Night Train. That gave us the Dr. Druid trio.

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My dream lineup would be (ignoring Civil War etc. of course):

 

Captain America

Iron Man (Stark)

Thor

Wasp

Pym (whatever version)

Hawkeye

Vision

Scarlet Witch

Wonder Man

Beast

 

Big group already, and can have others drop by from time to time, but this is the batch of folks that really screams AVENGERS to me.

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When I think Avengers, I think Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man and Thor. Those are just the four guys I associate MOST with the team. It's hard for me to envision the Avengers without them.

 

Several of my favorite Avengers are nowhere near the top of the list when it comes to power levels or popularity. I think I could have a hell of a lot of fun with: Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Beast, She-Hulk and Ms Marvel. However, this would not be a very well rounded group, it's just a bunch of my favorite Avnegers from down through the years. If I was seriously putting together a power team it would probably be something along the lines of:

 

Captain America - Expert Martial Artist and leader. The face and conscience of the team.

 

Thor - Brick. Sure I prefer She-Hulk, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man or Herc, but Thor is the most powerful of them all I'd say.

 

Captain Marvel II/Photon - Energy projector, and a damn powerful one at that. Plus the light speed flight and desolidification come in handy.

 

Scarlet Witch - Mystical VPP user. This is assuming her jacked up "Chaos Magic" levels of power.

 

Quicksilver - Speedster and jag off. Mostly the latter, which is why I need him on my team, since I've resisted adding Hawkeye :(

 

Moondragon - UberMentalist with mystic level kung fu.

 

Iron Man - Fills in a lot of gaps, crazy powerful and the science/technical skills. Plus we keep him around so he pays for everything.

 

There are still some gaps in the roster. The team isn't exactly great when it comes to stealth or infiltration, for example. But it's the Avengers, so I'd have reservists around for those special missions.

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I do believe that my ideal Avengers rooster is a modified version of the Busiek/Perez one:

 

Captain America (tactical leader and conscience)

Either Thor or Sentry (uberbrick and energy projector)

Iron Man (all-around powerhouse, gadgeteer and the guy who pays it all)

She-Hulk (brick and legal advice)

Ms. Marvel (flexible powerful brick and energy projector)

Wonder Man (immortal invulnerable brick)

Vision (flexible fighter and infiltrator and scientific advice)

Scarlet Witch (mystical VPP user)

Either Captain Marvel II/Photon (energy projector and infiltrator) or Quasar (energy projector and cosmic VPP user)

Either Wasp (infiltrator) or Quicksilver (speedster)

(sadly I do not wish to have Pym and his pathetic self-confidence issues around, so Janet will need to be in one of her "single" phases)

 

Both as power level and character interaction. Reserve specialists can add for some missions, but this has the sheer concentration of uber powerhouses that just screams Avengers to me.

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When was Moondragon on the team?

 

She was never a full member of the Avengers. She was a probationary member along with Beast. He got full membership but she was only ever a reservist.

 

All happened between issues 137 and 151.

 

She was hot, for a bald chick.

 

Indeed. Plus she earns extra points for being bisexual ;)

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Avengers Past and Present?

First Line Up

Captain Amreica

Iron Man

Thor

Giant-Man (Pym)

Wasp

Hulk

Wonder Man

Ant-Man (Pym)

 

Second Line Up

Captain America

Hawkeye

Hercules

Goliath (Pym)

Wasp

Scarlet Witch

Quicksilver

Swordsman

 

Third Line Up

Captain America

Quicksilver

Iron Man

Vision

Yellow Jacket

Goliath (Clint Barton)

wasp

Black Panther

Scarlet Witch

Black Knight

Thor

 

Fourth Line Up

Iron Man

Captain America

Black Panther

Thor

Swordsman

Vision

Mantis

Scarlet Witch

Hawkeye

 

Fifth Line Up

Thor

Yellow Jacket

Moondragon

Wonder Man

Scarlet Witch

Captain America

Iron Man

Vision

Beast

Hawkeye

Wasp

Hellcat

 

Sixth Line Up

Ms Marvel

Hawkeye

Yellow Jacket

Wasp

Falcon

Captain America

Beast

Iron Man

Vision

Thor

Scarlet Witch

Jocasta

Wonder Man

 

Seventh Line Up

wasp

She Hulk

Starfox

Thor

Black Knight

Captain Marvel/Photon

Captain America

Hercules

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In my home-grown Champions campaign, I have two groups based on Avengers homages.

 

I have a hero group that consists of Captain America, Hercules, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau), and Starfox.

 

And I have a villain group based on the antitheses of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Henry Pym, and Wasp.

 

I guess that says something about the Avengers I like. Oddly, enough, aside from Cap, I think my favorite is Hawkeye, who is not part of either of the above homage teams. The starting lineup of the West Coast Avengers has been my favorite single team of Avengers, and some of my favorite Avengers tales.

 

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For Quirkiness- The Great Lake Avengers

 

For real - Captain America, Hawkeye, Thor, Warbird, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Iron Man (before the whole bs leading to Civil War.)

 

Second String - Beast, Wonderman, She-Hulk, Spiderwoman

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Avengers Past and Present?

 

 

Second Line Up

Captain America

Hawkeye

Hercules

Goliath (Pym)

Wasp

Scarlet Witch

Quicksilver

Swordsman

 

Fourth Line Up

Iron Man

Captain America

Black Panther

Thor

Swordsman

Vision

Mantis

Scarlet Witch

Hawkeye

 

 

 

 

For me I liked the second or forth line up best.

 

But I think the only automatic show-stopper is for any connection or inclusion of anything with "hulk". I know it is just me. But hulk is the CLOWN of the comic world. Something I wish would be forgotten or never happened.

 

I would like to see more Scarlet Witch and more Doctor Strange types.

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I kind of liked the Roy Thomas line-up:

Yellow Jacket

Wasp

Goliath (Clint Barton)

Vision

Scarlet Witch

Quicksilver

Black Panther

 

They seemed to be good a keeping the tradition alive like they were replacements (even though they have two founders and three of the first four recruits). In addition, they seemed to solve the problems in unusual ways (like Pym thinking love thy neighbor to drive Ultron batty). They didn't have any other continuity issues to deal with (e.g. see Iron Man 50 for details); so character development was also introduced heavily. Finally, it was the last of the solid Pym period where he was a thinking leader. All in all a good solid run.

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My dream lineup would be (ignoring Civil War etc. of course):

 

Captain America

Iron Man (Stark)

Thor

Wasp

Pym (whatever version)

Hawkeye

Vision

Scarlet Witch

Wonder Man

Beast

 

Big group already, and can have others drop by from time to time, but this is the batch of folks that really screams AVENGERS to me.

What you said. Cap, Iron Man, and Thor have to be there, and the rest of them fill it out well.

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