zakueins Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 "Inspired" by my reading of Black_Summer... The players discover that a very well-respected metahuman is going to kill the President, VP, and most of the senior staff. Once they've done that, they plan to insist and demand a new round of elections to select a new President. His reasons as to why he wants the President dead...are valid if you're deeply into a certain set of beliefs (BDS if your President is a Bush clone, "He's too dangerous" if it's President Luthor, etc etc...). He is genuinely sincere and not being influenced/mind-controlled, etc. Assume the metahuman involved is about as powerful as your team...WWYCD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Stop him at all costs if the POTUS is a Luthor type try to convince him to try the legal way to discredit and impeach him if he has that kind of knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... It's not much of a question as given. Obviously heroes do their best to stop a murder plot. Hardly a dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakueins Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Yea, but what if members of your team agree with this guy? I could easily have seen my last gaming group go 50/50 on this on a Bush clone. It's not much of a question as given. Obviously heroes do their best to stop a murder plot. Hardly a dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... We've had plenty of threads about the Iron Age. Obviously, you investigate, and arrest the killer. If the POTUS was an issue, well, there ya go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Yea' date=' but what if members of your team [i']agree[/i] with this guy? I've never had a character who worked on the same team as advocates of murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... I almost posted something snarky in response to Clonus and then re-read his post - he said murder, not killing. Refusing to murder is just obeying the law. Refusing to kill regardless of provocation (he's got a knife to my kid's neck and I have a clear head shot) could be construed as moral cowardice... But back to the OP: Someone's been bugging our game again... And the funny part is that my vigilante was against the assassination. At least, right up to the point where the President used his private thugs to murder everyone in a metahuman refugee camp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... I almost posted something snarky in response to Clonus and then re-read his post - he said murder' date=' not [i']killing[/i]. Refusing to murder is just obeying the law. Refusing to kill regardless of provocation (he's got a knife to my kid's neck and I have a clear head shot) could be construed as moral cowardice... But back to the OP: Someone's been bugging our game again... And the funny part is that my vigilante was against the assassination. At least, right up to the point where the President used his private thugs to murder everyone in a metahuman refugee camp... What happens after you kill him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal'El Wayne Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... First of all, like the OP said, you have a new set of elections. Hopefully this time you won't be electing a massmurderer (as in that POTUS who ordered the Superhuman refugees to be killed.) Also, Sir Johnstone would probably be in on the plot in the first place. If he is the guy in charge of the plot, and the PCs found out about it, then the plot is obviously a decoy to draw attention away from the real assassin. Meanwhile, my unnamed new PC (an Iron Man rip-off), would do nothing, bearing in mind that an American citizen can legally own a rifle and a map, even if that map does have markings of the President's route and possible sniper positions on it. Even saying 'I'm going to kill the President!' isn't technically illegal. Besides which, he's currently living in an artificial asteroid/space station in orbit that he has lived in since he was five. Even from birth to when he built the station, he was living in Greece, so he doesn't really care. He deals with alien invasions, so saving one world leader is not on his agenda. He doesn't interfere in normal human affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfergus Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... All my characters would try to stop the person, and if the POTUS is trully bad, try to bring him down legally. If time is an issue and he is trully dangerous, most would just have him "disappear". (yes, that may be killing him, maybe not) However.... Olorin is a medieval and therefore a wild card. If the guy is bad, he might disappear - into another dimension. If trully dangerous, he'd gather evidence and make it public - and then make him "disappear" -probably kill him. Would do it very public if he had good proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... What happens after you kill him? In our game it's a bit more complicatated, the President has been replaced by Malachite (we assume). How do we know the (acting) President isn't really the President? The President is a PC... but this isn't widely known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... All my characters would try to stop the person, and if the POTUS is trully bad, try to bring him down legally. If time is an issue and he is trully dangerous, most would just have him "disappear". (yes, that may be killing him, maybe not) However.... Olorin is a medieval and therefore a wild card. If the guy is bad, he might disappear - into another dimension. If trully dangerous, he'd gather evidence and make it public - and then make him "disappear" -probably kill him. Would do it very public if he had good proof. Ah, yes, the old 'disappearance' game. Vigil did it occasionally (and when Vigil made someone 'disappear' you could be sure they were not coming back). Works really good on people who don't have an entire government agnecy looking out for their safety. But when the SS is involved, either you've leave behind a bunch of witnesses... Or 'disappear' a lot of innocent law-enforcement officials, something that even Vigil shyed away from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelalex242 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... President Luthor is worth stopping. President Bush is out of office in 2.5 months, and it's not worth it to kill him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odraude Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Honestly, my superheroes in my game would kill him in a heart beat. Either with a bullet, Telekinesis, or mauling him in Tiger form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Honestly' date=' my superheroes in my game would kill him in a heart beat. Either with a bullet, Telekinesis, or mauling him in Tiger form.[/quote'] The President or the assassin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odraude Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... The President or the assassin? Sorry, they kill the President before the Assassin could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... what's a POTUS? i keep thinking its ethier a villian group or an acronym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvar Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... President Of The United States Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... oh thanks again korvar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Uncle Slam is currently running for office. He'd assure the would-be assassin that he's the cure to the problem, not a bullet. Anthem would be stuck. She believes in democracy and realizes that people make mistakes; sometimes that's electing the wrong man. But democracy survives. So she would have to figure out how to stop him. With no contacts and no way to be around the president to protect him, she's stuck shadowing the hero/assailant in an attempt to foil him then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoutybloke Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Pretty much every character I've ever played in the modern day genre would save Bush at almost any cost, as would I. As a president he was bad enough. As a martyr? I don't want to live in that world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendou Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Every character I've ever roleplayed would have the same reaction to this: the assassin has to be stopped. No amount of corruption justifies killing the (presumably) legally-elected President. Besides, killing the President would just put the Vice-President into power, so if you disagree with the President's policies, you're just putting his hand-picked successor into power, with no new elections involved. Not to mention completely invalidating whatever point the would-be assassin was trying to make in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... "Inspired" by my reading of Black_Summer... The players discover that a very well-respected metahuman is going to kill the President, VP, and most of the senior staff. Once they've done that, they plan to insist and demand a new round of elections to select a new President. His reasons as to why he wants the President dead...are valid if you're deeply into a certain set of beliefs (BDS if your President is a Bush clone, "He's too dangerous" if it's President Luthor, etc etc...). He is genuinely sincere and not being influenced/mind-controlled, etc. Assume the metahuman involved is about as powerful as your team...WWYCD? All my characters would try to stop him. A few would even warn the Secret Service before hand, though that might not help. If the guy has EVIDENCE of wrong doing by the president, they'd do their best to help bring that to light, but regardless, they'd fight to save the PotUS. As the "hero" in question is more powerful, they might fail, but they'd surely try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptoid Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... White Knite and Sandor-San are too straight laced: Big fight, and call the authorities e-mediately Cosmo-Knite is too much of a game-player. He'd go it alone, and try to reason with the guy, try to get into his head and infiltrate the operation. If Cosmo can solve the crime before it happens, then there's only glory for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptoid Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Re: (WWYCD) Superhero Assaination... Sorry' date=' they kill the President before the Assassin could[/quote'] Then you have to switch games or something, since you're not playing super-heroes at that point... ============================ Re-Read this, this was a good point: No amount of corruption justifies killing the (presumably) legally-elected President. Besides, killing the President would just put the Vice-President into power, so if you disagree with the President's policies, you're just putting his hand-picked successor into power, with no new elections involved. Not to mention completely invalidating whatever point the would-be assassin was trying to make in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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