Christopher R Taylor Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Vulcan and Patriot are the only ones that necessarily need to be male; you could go with a more generic name like "Fletcher" or something for the archer. But given the composition of 99.9% of gamer groups having a few less female characters isn't exactly a huge concern. The others can easily be any gender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Why is Patriot necessarily male? There were plenty of female flagsuits in the Golden Age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well the concept is that he fought all the way back to the pre-revolutionary war era fights, but it could still be female, I suppose. Much less likely, but possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well the concept is that he fought all the way back to the pre-revolutionary war era fights, but it could still be female, I suppose. Much less likely, but possible. Which, quite honestly, suggests that the concept is a problem. The Golden Age character Uncle Sam did some of this, but without gear. A female equivalent could be Columbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedifensor Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Perhaps a revamped Viper's Nest with a quick start version of the rules. The included PC's could be homages to the Cinematic Avengers. I like the other ideas, but I don't think you should go anywhere near the Avengers, homage or otherwise. Aside from Disney being a bit trigger-happy about their intellectual property, you're trying to sell these people on Champions. If you use VIPER, use heroes from the Champions Universe, or create a new hero team and put it in the Champions Universe. Some characters aren't owned by Hero Games (ie Icicle and perhaps more). That's not necessarily a bad thing. Work out a deal with Heroic Publishing so some of their characters are used in the adventure, and in return the PDF includes links to Heroic Publishing's website. (It would be even better if you could get a comic illustrating the events of the adventure, but you can't have everything...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Its probably easiest to use original guys, but Viper would definitely be preferable just because they're so classic Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well the concept is that he fought all the way back to the pre-revolutionary war era fights, but it could still be female, I suppose. Much less likely, but possible. Have we forgotten about Molly Pitcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I like the other ideas, but I don't think you should go anywhere near the Avengers, homage or otherwise. Aside from Disney being a bit trigger-happy about their intellectual property, you're trying to sell these people on Champions. If you use VIPER, use heroes from the Champions Universe, or create a new hero team and put it in the Champions Universe. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Work out a deal with Heroic Publishing so some of their characters are used in the adventure, and in return the PDF includes links to Heroic Publishing's website. (It would be even better if you could get a comic illustrating the events of the adventure, but you can't have everything...) Its probably easiest to use original guys, but Viper would definitely be preferable just because they're so classic Champions. Don't forget that Cryptic Studios owns the IP rights to Champions, with DOJ having a license to continue using it--obviously I don't have all of the details. Perhaps before going down a path using Champions IP, such as the CU, it would be good to check in with DOJ. If it's all original, then never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I guess it depends on whether or not the starter pack is intended to serve as a lead-in to a full-on Champions Universe campaign. If so, then using stuff from the CU (like VIPER) is probably an important goal rather than just a production time-saver. If not, then it might be best to invent everything from whole cloth even though that involves more work. For the world-builders among you, that should be part of the fun of working on the project, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Lady Defender - gender swap Team Champions Lady Ironclad Lady Nighthawk Lady MPH Sapphire (Quantum) Warlock (Witchcraft) Cheers Qm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Back when I ran games at cons, I just made sure to have both genders available for each "slot". So Star Spangled Avenger, or Lady Liberty, Rampage (a Brick), or Iron Lotus, etc...? Some can gender swap with ease..."The Technoble" can be a Queen as easily as a King of Tech...MA can usually work with a Gender swap, Blasters as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yeah I think ideally what you want is a character name and background that can go either way, so people can have their rule 63 Captain Ironman or whatever. Rather than locking them in as female or male, wherever you can. Some might be tough (the Thor alternate, for example) but the rest, I mean Iron Man is just a suit so it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 "Thor" is easy. Call him/her Thunder. Or do it the Marvel way...the current Thor is a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Lady Ironclad could be taken as a whole new meaning. (Whistles) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Steve Long could answer this better, probably, but I think "Thunder" might be nudging up a bit too closer to copyright. Especially if you give them a hammer and divine origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Actually, you could call the character Thor, and Marvel/Disney wouldn't have a leg to stand on. It's the other aspects of the character that would be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 If that is the way you want to go...I'd build a Thor, and Tian Mu (Chinese guardian goddess, in charge of lightning) And use the same sheet, or lose some Strength, and add more lightning if that would be desired, personally I'd just use the same sheet...at most lose the hammer, or turn it into a "wind/fire ring" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 "Thor" is easy. Call him/her Thunder. Or do it the Marvel way...the current Thor is a woman. Thunder is a member of DC'S LRGION OF SUPER-HEROES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The reason I came up with Vulcan was because: mythological deity with hammer and energy projection (fire rather than lightning but hey). That keeps him in really familiar territory without being a direct copyright conflict. Plus it opens up some interesting conceptual ideas. And I'm not 100% wedded to the idea that every character must be swappable with genders. But I'm not determined to use the idea, as long as we can come up with something fun, easily playable, and that will do the job of feeling familiar and Avenger-y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I agree, I just make sure I have both genders available for evey "slot" some comcepts can gender flip with ease, for others I provide extra versions....So...Vulcan, or Athena for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedifensor Posted February 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 So, I found my early 1990's VIPER book, with the Viper's Nest scenarios. I'm surprised that this hasn't been updated already - they are good scenarios, and it wouldn't be hard to make them 6e compatible. Presumably the company has the rights, since it's already been republished once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Its possible that the MMOG guys own viper now, I do not know. If possible I'd like to do Microfilm Madness/Viper's Nest as an adventure for the Champions Begins book but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Other villian organizations include; Coil, IHA (Genocide), the Warlord's Shadow Army, Argent, Demon, VOICE, and Terror Inc. Just to name a few QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 I think Steve Long is the only one who can really answer who has the rights over various groups and characters in Champions, and what is available for use for products. I'd prefer Viper, but Coil is a good alternate as is Terror. I'm not real fond of the recent interpretation of Demon, and konw nothing about VOICE, Argent, or WSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothere Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 As I understand it Argent is the Champions version of A.I.M. Never heard of Voice or WSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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