Old Man Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Nude pics certainly ought to be in the Bill of Rights somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Nude pics certainly ought to be in the Bill of Rights somewhere. They will be when the Libertarians take over. JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER For or against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I was thinking more like the Bill of Rights, but yeah. JG Man, you -ians and -ists are so serious. Rights schmights... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Nude pics certainly ought to be in the Bill of Rights somewhere. What good will they do there? They need to be in readily accessible drawers and under beds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Australian's have a sense of homour and sense of revenge. In 1788 many Britians set sail to a new life to the Great Southern Land, Australia. That one was rejected and returned to sender . Also he (or is it 'IT') renounched his Australian citizenship to become an American, so he is not longer one of Us but one of --> Them. I was hoping you knew exactly who I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I don't see how we are disagreeing - you're saying you don't want something sold to kids. I'm telling you the situation then is not the newspapers, it's that you don't have a law saying "don't sell kids magazines/newspapers/books with naked women in them". That would solve it. Or are you seriously suggesting kids should be able to buy Playboy but that a half-nude girl should not be in the newspaper to protect them? You said it was Obscenity laws and that was what I was disagreeing with. We do have laws that prevent under 18s buying magazines like Playboy but newspapers are different. There are other things I would like restrained by the press but it is difficult if not impossible to get someone to do it without the press pillorying them for it. I do not believe that it would be possible to pass a law preventing the sale of a newspaper with nude women in it. Does it make me happy ? No. But do I think it is acceptable that kids can see this in something that is meant for a family (a newspaper) ? No. I believe that it can implant in kids the idea that it is acceptable for women to be seen topless anywhere which is manifestly untrue. The newspaper is exploiting the girls and its own readership in this. Morally I find it wrong but there's no legal way to stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Then why are Page 3 Girls possible in your country but not ours? We've got broadcast obscenity fines being increased into the millions over Janet Jackson's covered nipple. There are major differences between American and British culture for starters. You do have an industry in California which produces films for adults. Try doing that over here and you end up in jail. Yet we can have picture of a half naked woman in a paper 6 days a week and you can't. QED We can have sex scenes shown within reason after the watershed (9:00 pm) as well on mainstream TV, BBC and ITV. I would say that that's a problem with your media' date=' since that sort of thing IS more mainstream in your country than here.[/quote'] True and the people behind them. And if the British decide that that sort of thing is inappropriate to a newspaper- and I certainly agree that it is- then they can boycott those papers or demand that their government take action. The fact that they don't indicates the public voice' date=' I think.[/quote'] Or sadly the fact that they can't be bothered. Some are. It is hard to get the British stirred up about certain issues. But harm an animal and your feet won't touch the ground. Allegedly. I'm MUCH more concerned that a bunch of PC bureaucrats [bureaucracy = an ancient Greek word meaning 'rule by file cabinets'] are trying to impose a standard on a member state's media when that member really doesn't want it OR need it. Read this:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/06/22/do2202.xml JG The press in various of the European countries clash with their governments and are accused of not having standards. In several cases over here the papers have been taken to the Press Complaints Commission and if the complaint is upheld then the paper has to apologise. Usually this means no court action so no compensation etc. The Royals for example go there first. However papers from one particular owner are notorious for ignoring rulings that go against them. And that's when the trouble starts. I tend to ignore certain papers because they cannot be trusted to tell the truth even when they are told it and report it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I found this on page two, does it belong to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Squirrel Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Something in the General Gaming Discussion reminded me of this. I'll make my official announcement now. Be prepared, Troy: City of Luxury is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I was hoping you knew exactly who I meant.Yes I do. Mr Rupet Murdoch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMan Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Can I go home now? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Not until you finish your broccoli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER You said it was Obscenity laws and that was what I was disagreeing with. We do have laws that prevent under 18s buying magazines like Playboy but newspapers are different. There are other things I would like restrained by the press but it is difficult if not impossible to get someone to do it without the press pillorying them for it. I do not believe that it would be possible to pass a law preventing the sale of a newspaper with nude women in it. Does it make me happy ? No. But do I think it is acceptable that kids can see this in something that is meant for a family (a newspaper) ? No. I believe that it can implant in kids the idea that it is acceptable for women to be seen topless anywhere which is manifestly untrue. The newspaper is exploiting the girls and its own readership in this. Morally I find it wrong but there's no legal way to stop them. I'm confused. Why can the newspaper print something that if done in Playboy can't be sold to kids? While our laws do allow the news lattitude, a newspaper can't just print a parital-nudie, and that's not just cultural, that's per our obscenity laws. I don't see why you can't craft yours the same. I'm not trying to argue the point exactly, other than to say I'm clearly not understanding the issue here in terms of UK law and why they can't just say "you are distributing pornography to kids and you have to stop or label it as for >18". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER (snip) You do have an industry in California which produces films for adults. Try doing that over here and you end up in jail. (snip) I've seen English porn. I just checked and found a reference on the AVN (Adult Video News) site, and as it's their business, they ought to know. http://www.avninsider.com/stories/joanna032404.shtml refers to the paucity of British porn but not its illegality. PS - it should be obvious, but going to AVN is not exactly work-safe! PPS - to be fair, I should add here that this column does indicate that the porn industry in the UK is weak due to strict laws. But it does exist. Take heart, any Brits who are discouraged, the porn industry in California grew up almost overnight, from the 70s to 80s, originally from a bizarre near-mainstreaming of porn in the 70s but later from the boom of home video sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I've seen English porn. I just checked and found a reference on the AVN (Adult Video News) site, and as it's their business, they ought to know. http://www.avninsider.com/stories/joanna032404.shtml refers to the paucity of British porn but not its illegality. There's always Sweden!! JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER There's always Sweden!! JG Mainland Europe as a whole. France, Germany, Holland, Belgium and the Scandanavian countries. You could not buy hardcore material legally in this country until a couple of years back. And the people who sell it here treated the whole thing as a exercise in ripping off the customers. Not so our neighbours. The British have an odd attitude to sex sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I'm confused. Why can the newspaper print something that if done in Playboy can't be sold to kids? While our laws do allow the news lattitude' date=' a newspaper can't just print a parital-nudie, and that's not just cultural, that's per our obscenity laws. I don't see why you can't craft yours the same. I'm not trying to argue the point exactly, other than to say I'm clearly not understanding the issue here in terms of UK law and why they can't just say "you are distributing pornography to kids and you have to stop or label it as for >18".[/quote'] There's not the support to do it for one. Playboy started in the 50s and Page 3 didn't start until the late 60s but as lingerie and bikinis decreased in size and women were featured wearing these, so the complaints went up. It never reached fever pitch. As I stated previously the supporters of Page 3 treated their opponents with juvenile derision most of the time. And it seems worse when these are MPs. It was debated in Parliament. Private Members bill as it was not put through as part of the main legislature programme by whichever party is in power and in government. Yet here is a point of newspaper hypocrisy. You could show a half naked girl in a paper but they lead the crusade against hard core pornography in any form. And I am talking about the normal material not the illegal stuff that gets you prison time and eternal damnation like child porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER There's not the support to do it for one. Playboy started in the 50s and Page 3 didn't start until the late 60s but as lingerie and bikinis decreased in size and women were featured wearing these, so the complaints went up. It never reached fever pitch. As I stated previously the supporters of Page 3 treated their opponents with juvenile derision most of the time. And it seems worse when these are MPs. It was debated in Parliament. Private Members bill as it was not put through as part of the main legislature programme by whichever party is in power and in government. Yet here is a point of newspaper hypocrisy. You could show a half naked girl in a paper but they lead the crusade against hard core pornography in any form. And I am talking about the normal material not the illegal stuff that gets you prison time and eternal damnation like child porn. Probably fear of competition. In America though the dirty secret of the major entertainment corps (like Viacom) is that they're actually heavily into porn as they distribute it through various cable services, both to hotels and through the regular cable. So the mainstream media is rather circumspect (to the point of tacit and often not-so-tacit support) in regard to porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Hey, what's this doing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytus Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Hey' date=' what's this doing here?[/quote'] Languishing, apparantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Squirrel Posted June 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Check out this game: http://www.thomasscott.net/flash/beckham/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytus Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Check out this game: http://www.thomasscott.net/flash/beckham/ Some game. No matter what direction or power you select, it always does the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Gillen Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER The British have an odd attitude to sex sometimes. That's what I was thinking. JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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