L. Marcus Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Why? Roman numerals were less logical than the arabian/indian position system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings ... Silly Americans and their backwards date writing method ... Agree. At least we drive on the *right* side of the road. Month-Day-Year makes no sense. It's like alphabetizing b-a-c - It's bacwards! Day-Month-Year follows a natural' date=' logical progression. 11/01/10[/quote'] Maybe you meant "bcawards"? But yeah, it would seem that way. On my home PC I have it set up so files that get datestamped get Year-Month-Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings but logic is never guaranteed in cultural norms' date=' otherwise we would still be using Roman Numerals.[/quote'] Please illustrate by dividing CLXXXVIII by IV, using long division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Please illustrate by diving CLXXXVIII by IV' date=' using long division.[/quote'] thank you for making my point, well illustrating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings That didn't seem to be the point you were making, if you weren't being ironic or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings That didn't seem to be the point you were making' date=' if you weren't being ironic or something.[/quote'] Oh it was the point I was making. Steve just illustrating how illogical it would be to use arbitrary letters -- that is Roman Numerals -- to as Steve says divide "CLXXXVIII by IV" by long division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings but logic is never guarenteed in cultural norms' date=' otherside we would still be using Roman Numerals.[/quote']As I read this statement, it means "the logical thing to do would be to have retained the roman numerals." I can't see it any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings As I read this statement' date=' it means "the logical thing to do would be to have retained the roman numerals." I can't see it any other way.[/quote'] Roman Numerals ain't logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Then why did you say they were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teh bunneh Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings I'm with Marcus on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narf the Mouse Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Possibly, he was being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Then why did you say they were? that is the thing, I never said that. I understand now that there was miscommunication, as I didn't communicate my thoughts clearly. Possibly' date=' he was being sarcastic.[/quote'] No I wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Liar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Let me try. What Bazza said was but logic is never guarenteed in cultural norms' date=' otherside we would still be using Roman Numerals.[/quote'] What he meant to express was IF logic were guaranteed in cultural norms, THEN, Roman Numerals (a cultural norm) would be logical, and THEREFORE, because they were already logical, there would be no need to replace them with a more logical system, and THEREFORE, we would still be using them. However, the fact of the matter IS, that Roman Numerals are no longer in use, BECUASE they have been replaced with a more logical alternative, which PROVES that they were not logical to begin with, and thus PROVES that cultural norms are not guaranteed to be logical. Bazza is not being sarcastic or deliberately difficult. He is being confusing, but not because he is confused, in my opinion. Lucius Alexander I could never have done that without a palindromedary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings The two posts were: You see? So much more logical. but logic is never guarenteed in cultural norms' date=' otherside we would still be using Roman Numerals.[/quote'] Let me try answering again We were discussing the format of the date and the order it is represented; yyyy/mm/dd being logicial (IMO) because it has an internal consistency. Aussies (and I presume the British too) use dd/mm/yyyy whist Americans use mm/dd/yyyy which I find illogical because the day is the shortest unit, then the month followed by the year; and reading the American date format the order is not consistent--day followed by month followed by year. Also the format of the date is a cultural norm, Americans are used to their date format as Aussies are used to theirs. Which is right? Well truth be told, neither and both. It would be like arguing the cultural/social differences between the Australian system of government compared to the American system of government. Both are normal within their nation. Hence the point of what I was trying to say that these cultural norms are developed independently of logical clarity. addendem: not that we should be using cultural norms from the olden days. My use of Roman Numerals was to illustrate my point, the first part of my post above with an example, as I find Roman Numerals to be largely illogical. I could have equally have used hieroglyphics. From the viewpoint of this citizen of the 21st century, Roman Numerals and hieroglyphics have a sense of arbitrariness to them and if they were both reintroduced into the 21st century both these cultural norms of yesteryear would fail I think due to most people finding them illogical in day-to-day use. So, logic is never guaranteed in cultural norms, otherwise we would still be using Roman Numerals today, which I find illogical and I'm sure most people today would agree if they were to use them daily. Ditto for hieroglyphics. Better? Though I'd still like to learn hieroglyphics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Ah. Better. IMO A similar example to your Roman Numberals would be the English Measurement System (IIRC no longer used in England, just here in the States). At least our military uses Metric (AFAIK). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Ah. Better. IMO A similar example to your Roman Numberals would be the English Measurement System (IIRC no longer used in England' date=' just here in the States). At least our military uses Metric (AFAIK).[/quote'] Mostly. I think Imperial tools are still required though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Ah. Better. IMO A similar example to your Roman Numberals would be the English Measurement System (IIRC no longer used in England' date=' just here in the States). At least our military uses Metric (AFAIK).[/quote'] I can see that, leagues, furlongs and rods are largely depreciated. Though I think there may be an internal consistency within the imperial measure that we have forgotten about hence this seemingly bizarre units of measure have an internal logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Though I'd still like to learn hieroglyphics. Here you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings I can see that' date=' leagues, furlongs and rods are largely depreciated. Though I think there may be an internal consistency within the imperial measure that we have forgotten about hence this seemingly bizarre units of measure have an internal logic.[/quote'] They do. ask a Mason about it sometime if they actually know, that is... the old system had a lot to do with architecture of the age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings I could never have done that without a palindromedary The palindromedary doesn't like it both ways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings They do. ask a Mason about it sometime if they actually know, that is... the old system had a lot to do with architecture of the age Thanks for the confirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings They do. ask a Mason about it sometime if they actually know, that is... the old system had a lot to do with architecture of the age I am no expert, but IIRC the length of one inch was defined as the length of the middle segment of the King's middle finger, and a foot was litteraly the length of the king's foot. An Acre (IIRC) derived from how much land a peasant could till in one day with an ox. So IMO it wasn't just from architecture, but also from the Feudal style of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings I don't like the current way you go to new posts on subscribed threads. Old Way: E-mail notice is sent, You click on the link and are taken to the first new post. New way: You click the link and are taken to the top of the last page, where you have to click on the "First New Post" Button to go to the first new post. Why the change? All it adds is another step to the process, and the board still has to mark the first unread post anyway. Agreed, it is a bit more cumbersome. For a while the "go to first new post" button actually *did* what its name says. Now its just false advertising. I just had this really bizarre idea. Instead of putting a teabag into a cup of boiling water (apologies to all UK residents; I'm American)' date=' how about putting into a cup of hot milk? I'm curious, but I'm not sure I should try it.[/quote'] Tea + Milk = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Re: Musings on Random Musings Tea + Milk = I believe in the UK it is common to put milk in one's tea, just as in America we commonly put milk in coffee. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks the proposal is to just use hot mllk to make the tea, and eliminate the water entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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