Hermit Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Okay, the Archetypes in Champions, at least according to the 5th Ed books are: Brick, Energy Projector, Gadgeteer, Martial Artist, Mentalist, Metamorph, Mystic, Patriot, Powered Armor, Speedster, Weapons Master So, going with this, what examples in comic books of such would be your favorites? One or two max for each please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithcurtis Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Given as Marvel, DC Brick = Hulk or Thing, Mammoth (Everyone else is too diversified) Energy Projector = Human Torch, Fire Gadgeteer = Forge, Gizmo Martial Artist = Shang-Chi, Bronze Tiger Mentalist = Professor X, Saturn Girl Metamorph = Sandman, Clayface Mystic = Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate Patriot = Captain America, Uncle Sam Powered Armor = Iron Man, Steel Speedster = Quicksilver, Flash Weapons Master = Taskmaster or Bullseye, Deathstroke In all cases, I have tried to use examples which are purest. In other words, Superman has too many other powers to be the archetypal Brick, Batman too many other abilities to be the archetypal Martial Artist. Funny that neither made the big list. Other notable absences are Thor, Wonder Woman, Half the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and most of the X-Men. Keith "That's my list" Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Stealing Keith's format (and apparently several of his answers): Brick = Hulk, Thing Energy Projector = Human Torch, Cyclops Gadgeteer = Mr Fantastic, Forge Mentalist = White Queen, Phoenix II (Rachel Summers...er Grey now...) Metamorph = Mystique, Mr Fantastic (yes, I know I listed him twce. I like the FF damn it!) Speedster = Nightcrawler, Flash Patriot isn't an archtype in my mind. It's just a mental state... hmm, I think that came out wrong... bah, I'll let it stand... Similarly, Mystic and Power armor are not arctypes so much as power Origins. Gadgeteer is in a similar boat really... Patriot = Captain America Mystic = Doctor Strange, Nico "Sister Grimm" Minoru Powered Armor = Iron Man...um... I don't think I like any other power armor users... hell, I don't even like Iron Man that much.... Also, I consider Martial Artists and Weapon Master to be pretty much the same damn thing. Doesn't help that most weapon masters are excellent unarmed combatants and most martial artists use at least one signature weapon extremely well. However, I'll divide them up here for the sake of the poll: Martial Artist= Daredevil, Captain America (yep, I like him a lot too) Weapons Master = Hawkeye, Bullseye Wonder Woman is one of my favorite characters, but I really can't fit her into just one or two categories. She's a Brick, Martial Artist, Weapon Master, Speedster, Mentalist. Clark's a Brick, Speedster, Energy Projector, Patriot. Bruce is mainly a Gadgeteer, Martial Artist with a little Weapon Master and Power Armor thrown in when the story demands it. Oh, and he's a Mentalist too, cause you NEED psychic powers to pull of some of the stuff he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Okay, the Archetypes in Champions, at least according to the 5th Ed books are: Brick, Energy Projector, Gadgeteer, Martial Artist, Mentalist, Metamorph, Mystic, Patriot, Powered Armor, Speedster, Weapons Master So, going with this, what examples in comic books of such would be your favorites? One or two max for each please. Brick - Dumb Bunny, Awkwardman Energy Projector - Green Lambkin, Fire Stork Gadgeteer - Inspector Gadget Martial Artist - Merry Andrew Mentalist - Saturn Goat Metamorph - Plastic Man, Elongated Man, Beast Boy, Boy Beast Mystic - Alley Cat Abra Patriot - Yankee Poodle Powered Armor - Bozo the Robot Speedster - Fast Back Weapons Master - White Feather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick: Captain Marvel Energy Projector: Captain Atom Gadgeteer: Cyborg Martial Artist: Nightwing Mentalist: J'onn J'onzz Metamorph: Metamorpho Mystic: Dr. Fate Patriot: Captain America Powered Armor: Guardian Speedster: Flash Weapons Master: Hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics HERO needs a 'paragon' archetype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Given as Marvel, DC Brick = Thing, - Energy Projector = Cyclops, Green Lantern (Hal or Kyle) Gadgeteer = Hank Pym or Fixer, Brainiac 5 Martial Artist = Iron Fist or Shang-Chi, Karate Kid Mentalist = Mentallo, Jericho Metamorph = Sandman, Changeling/Beast Boy (ie Gar Logan) Mystic = Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate Patriot = Captain America, Uncle Sam Powered Armor = Iron Man, - Speedster = Speed Demon, Flash Weapons Master = Hawkeye, Green Arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick - The Thing. (Are there any others? ) Energy Projector - Cyclops, Human Torch Gadgeteer - Forge Martial Artist - Spider-Man (I know it's stretching a bit, but I'm not a big MArts person) Mentalist - Martian Manhunter Metamorph - Tough, hard to narrow down...I'll say the Metal Men Mystic - Dr. Strange Patriot - Captain America Powered Armor - Rocket Red (Apokolips armor) Speedster - The Flash (Jay, Barry, or Wally) Weapons Master - Green Arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick - Mon-el, Superman - I never got into the "bulky bricks" like Hulk or Thing Energy Projector - Wildfire, Dazzler Gadgeteer - Brainiac 5, Cyborg Martial Artist - Karate Kid, Nightwing, Iron Fist Mentalist- Saturn Girl, John Jonzz Metamorph- Chameleon Boy, John jonzz, Mimic (Exiles) Mystic- White Witch, Dr Fate, Zuriel Patriot- Superman, Captain America Powered Armor- Rocket Red, Iron Man Speedster- Flash, Impusle Weapons Master - Deathstroke. Can't think of any other characters in this catagory I really like (both the archers generally annoy me). I'm sure everyone can tell what my favorite superteam is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick: Captain Marvel Energy Projector: Captain Atom Gadgeteer: Cyborg Martial Artist: Nightwing Mentalist: J'onn J'onzz Metamorph: Metamorpho Mystic: Dr. Fate Patriot: Captain America Powered Armor: Guardian Speedster: Flash Weapons Master: Hawkeye That line up would make one heckuva comic. Nice choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics I know you said "superhero comics", but I'm going to take a slightly different take. Brick--Bean Bandit (not a super-level character, but the most impressive relative to his setting) Energy Projector--Lina Inverse Gadgeteer--Boy Detective Narutaki, Skuld Martial Artist--Alita (also brick and speedster, really) Mentalist--Tetsuo Shima, Legato Bluesummers Metamorph--Shin (Space Pirate Mito) Mystic--Lina Inverse, Belldandy Powered Armor--the Knight Sabers Weapons Master--Goury Gabriev, Vash the Stampede, Manji, Jubei I can't seem to think of any patriot or speedster types from anime/manga Zeropoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPheemy Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics The SuperPheemy Squad! Brick: Superman, Captain Marvel Energy Projector: Invisible Woman Gadgeteer: Mr. Fantastic, Batman Martial Artist: Captain America, Batman Mentalist: J'onn J'onnz Metamorph: J'onn J'onnz Mystic: Dr. Doom Powered Armor: Iron Man, Dr. Doom Weapons Master: Captain America Patriot: Captain America, Superman Speedster: The Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Okay, the Archetypes in Champions, at least according to the 5th Ed books are: Brick, Energy Projector, Gadgeteer, Martial Artist, Mentalist, Metamorph, Mystic, Patriot, Powered Armor, Speedster, Weapons Master So, going with this, what examples in comic books of such would be your favorites? One or two max for each please. Brick: The Thing Energy Projector: Cyclops, Green Lantern Gadgeteer: Night Thrasher*, Batman Martial Artist: Iron Fist Mentalist: Jean Grey Metamorph: Metamorpho (duh), Absorbing Man Mystic: Drs. Strange and Fate Patriot: Captain America and Superman Powered Armor: Iron Man, Rocket Red Speedster: Can it be more obvious than Flash and Quicksilver? Weapons Master: Again, gotta cop out. Green Arrow and Hawkeye *Night Thrasher's armor wasn't powered, per se; it had electronic systems, but it didn't enhance his strength or agility like Iron Man armor does. At least, the last time I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics I'm sure everyone can tell what my favorite superteam is. Your favorite team is Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick: The Thing or Colossus Energy Projector: Cyclops Gadgeteer: Hank Pym Martial Artist: Shang-Chi Mentalist: Professor X Metamorph: Absorbing Man Mystic: Dr. Strange Patriot: Captain America Powered Armor: Iron Man Speedster: Flash or Quicksilver Weapons Master: Taskmaster or Dead Pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Your favorite team is Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes. We have a winner. That will be interesting when the do that. I'm actually anticipating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics I know you said "superhero comics", but I'm going to take a slightly different take. Alita (also brick and speedster, really) Vash the Stampede Zeropoint I know Alita (I like those books), I know I've heard the name Vash, but don't know what manga he belongs too. Every other name on your list was someone I had never heard of. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics We have a winner. That will be interesting when the do that. I'm actually anticipating it. Yeah, all we need now is to figure out which Supergirl it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics I know Alita (I like those books), I know I've heard the name Vash, but don't know what manga he belongs too. Every other name on your list was someone I had never heard of. Sorry. Dec 17th, '05 02:47 PM My bad; I should have anticipated that. I'll fill in the anime/manga series for you. Brick--Bean Bandit (not a super-level character, but the most impressive relative to his setting) [Gunsmith Cats] Energy Projector--Lina Inverse [slayers] Gadgeteer--Boy Detective Narutaki [steam Detectives], Skuld [Oh My Goddess!] Martial Artist--Alita (also brick and speedster, really) [battle Angel Alita] Mentalist--Tetsuo Shima [Akira], Legato Bluesummers [Trigun] Metamorph--Shin [space Pirate Mito] Mystic--Lina Inverse [slayers], Belldandy [Oh My Goddess!] Powered Armor--the Knight Sabers [bubblegum Crisis] Weapons Master--Goury Gabriev [slayers], Vash the Stampede [Trigun], Manji [blade of the Immortal], Jubei [Ninja Scroll], Rally Vincent [Gunsmith Cats] Hope that helps. Now that I think about it, "Weapons Masters" are the dominant type in anime and manga. Zeropoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallet Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick: The Tick Energy Projector: Gadgeteer: Forge Martial Artist: Puck Mentalist: Prof. X Metamorph: Windigo Mystic: Dr. Strange Patriot: Powered Armor: Vindicator or BOX Speedster: Flash Weapons Master: Forge Yes, I like the original Alpha Flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics I'm pretty much a DC guy, and the list below obviously reflects that... Brick: Wonder Woman Energy Projector: Green Lantern Gadgeteer: Batman Martial Artist: Black Canary Mentalist: Martian Manhunter Metamorph: Beast Boy/Changeling Mystic: Zatanna Patriot: Superman Powered Armor: Cyborg Speedster: The Flash Weapons Master: Green Arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick: Superman (even though he's actually a mixed archetype...) Energy Projector: Green Lantern (Hal or Alan Scott) Gadgeteer: Mr Fantastic Martial Artist: Wildcat Mentalist: Saturn Girl (difficult choice) Metamorph: Metamorpho Mystic: Dr Fate Patriot: Captain America (I guess...) Powered Armor: Iron Man (bleh!) Speedster: Flash Weapons Master: Green Arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Yeah' date=' all we need now is to figure out which Supergirl it will be. [/quote'] That's part of what will be interesting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Being the list junkie that I am, I decided to redo my choices with Marvel/DC categories, and a villain. Archetype: … Marvel … DC …Villain Brick : … The Thing … Robotman … Juggernaut Energy Projector: … Cyclops, Human Torch … GL: Guy Gardner … Killer Frost Gadgeteer: … Forge … Mr. Miracle … The Hobgoblin* Martial Artist: … Spider-Man … Blue Beetle … Taskmaster Mentalist: … No Vote** … Martian Manhunter … Dreamslayer Metamorph: … Mr. Fantastic … Metamorpho … The Sandman Mystic: … Dr. Strange … Etrigan … Felix Faust Patriot: … Captain America … Uncle Sam … Red Skull Powered Armor: … Iron Man … Rocket Red … Stiltman Speedster: … Quicksilver … The Flash … Professor Zoom (Thawne) Weapons Master: … Hawkeye … Green Arrow … Bullseye *Really it would be The Junkman from Astro City, but I’m restricting the lists to Marvel/DC. **If forced to choose, it would be Prof X, but it’s not an endorsement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Re: Your favorite Archetype examples in super hero comics Brick- The Thing, Colossus, Superman (Yeah, I know he's more of a Brick/Energy Projector/Speedster), and Thor Energy Projector- Green Lantern, Torch, Justice and Cyclops Gadgeteer- Reed Richards (Seriously, I know he's a great metamorph, but if you took away his stretching he'd still be able to kick your butt after 5 minutes in the lab) Martial Artist- Nightwing, Iron Fist (Truth to tell, not that into Martial Artists, but hey) Mentalist-Mesmero... oh wait, he's scum. Darn it. Metamorph- The Atom, one of Pym's many guises. Mystic- Dr. Strange, Raven of the Titans Patriot- Captain America, Uncle Sam, Union Jack (If I thought about it, there would likely be many 'Avatar' type patriots as well) Powered Armor- Iron Man sort of owns the field, but Vindicator/Guardian (James) of Alpha Flight was also a favorite. Speedster- The Flash, natch. Weapons Master- Hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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