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Fire: Tightly disciplined and cool headed.

Intense training to avoid making mistakes and starting fires leads to the counter-stereotype leading a life of careful control.

 

Speed: Easy-going procrastinator

Patience learned from everything seeming to take forever, and the belief that there will always be plenty of time to do anything.

 

Stealth: Loudmouth

Loves to sneak up on people and then shout in their ear.

 

Healer: Sadist

You can inflict so much more pain when the damage is never permanent.

 

Brick: Subtle and manipulative

While there a lot of smart bricks, there are very few subtle ones. But why can't a mass of muscle be a calculating mind looking for the right buttons to press?

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Christopher,

Nobody is saying that there are no pre-existing exceptions to the existing stereotypes. We're just giving counters to the existing stereotypes.

The problem is: Everything on this list and 90% of the counter stereotypes you can come up with have already been used. The guys at Marvel/DC/whatever and Anime/Manga writers needed something to sell.

 

Or is this about listing "counter-stereotypes that you know of?

 

If that is the chase:

A psychic programmer:

He actually can read minds/see into the future (well, actually that is only something most customers asume we are able to do already).

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The problem is: Everything on this list and 90% of the counter stereotypes you can come up with have already been used. The guys at Marvel/DC/whatever and Anime/Manga writers needed something to sell.

 

Or is this about listing "counter-stereotypes that you know of?

 

If that is the chase:

A psychic programmer:

He actually can read minds/see into the future (well, actually that is only something most customers asume we are able to do already).

 

No reason not to play with them more.

 

 

As to your example are most programmers actually pretending to see the future?

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Some counter intuitive character concepts

 

Kai (a personal character) - master of the martial art Lua yet is a party down, procrastinating, surf absorbed idiot savant. How many masters do you know would rather do a kegger and surf than use/teach their martial arts.

 

How about these ideas?

Ahd-zum: "last accountant of krypton". Was originally sent to a special club-fed prison world but the ensuing explosion of his home world redirected him here instead. He looks like a meek 98 pound accounting weakling (which he theoretically is) but has the strength of Superman. Likes doing white collar crime.

 

Sexy Suzy: Walking bombshell and hanger on of supervillains. Has an acting, charm, conversation, and persuasion skill of 21- and a Int and Pre of 28. Has a slight speech impediment making her sound dumb. Subtly influences supervillains to do grand schemes and spend money on her.

 

Bruce Lee: This just says kung fu martial arts doesn't it? Mystical African American hoodoo spell caster from Mississippi.

 

Shocker: He's a super villainous detective with obscene detective skills. He drive supers crazy by sleuthing. That upstanding paragon of humanity is secretly a pervert cross dresser with a desire for goats. That little old lady you saved, actually a slum lord who embezzled a half million dollars from orphans. Oh the shocks.

 

The Lawyer: Ok, you gots me on this one. A lawyer is always evil.

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Has already been used

 

Fire:

according to wikipedia, Human torch

 

While Johnny Storm does have a phenomenal degree of control over his flame compared to pretty much any other fire user, this isn't reflected in his personality, which is the stereotypical rash and hot-tempered.

 

Brick:

Hulk, when Banner was in Control or he got Banner like intelect

 

Smart isn't the same thing as subtle and manipulative.

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Or is this about listing "counter-stereotypes that you know of?

The answer is obviously yes. So sorry for the missunterstanding. Let's go on and have fun.:)

 

As to your example are most programmers actually pretending to see the future?

Nope, just customers sometime think/act like we are able to. Some actually ask "Haven't you predicted that?"

Some actually say "That is not what I had in mind" (but I never told you what I had in mind).

 

The Lawyer: Ok' date=' you gots me on this one. A lawyer is always evil.[/quote']

Always evil sound like a stereotype. So they obviously need a "Drizzt Do'Urden". I think I know a potential, fictional candidate for that...

 

Smart isn't the same thing as subtle and manipulative.

Subtle and manipulative (in the psychological sense) literally say "evil". But how could you build such a charater? Preferibly a good one...:think:

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Perry Mason and Matlock are good examples of lawyers with different ways of doing things.

 

Subtle Bricks are harder to do. I can think of one that didn't start a fight by slamming someone with a car. Maybe a brick combined with something else like speed like spiderman for example could be an example.

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Perry Mason and Matlock are good examples of lawyers with different ways of doing things.

 

Subtle Bricks are harder to do. I can think of one that didn't start a fight by slamming someone with a car. Maybe a brick combined with something else like speed like spiderman for example could be an example.

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I was thinking more of a brick who had a taste for Hannibal Lectures.

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Subtle Bricks are harder to do. I can think of one that didn't start a fight by slamming someone with a car. Maybe a brick combined with something else like speed like spiderman for example could be an example.

 

I've done a pacifist brick. Which falls into the "gentle giant" brick stereotype but also bypasses the unsubtle property damage stereotype.

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A brick who tries to subdue opponents without hurting them is quite possible. Start with high presence requests for surrender, continue through various entangles, try a bit of Judo... eventually it will be obvious if their opponent can take damage or not.

 

And if they can, and nothing else has worked... WHAM!

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In a game I GMed years ago, Lord and Lady Mhoram played two counter-stereotype characters. Gibraltar, the brick, was also the team detective and the only member with stealth skills. Black Cat, the martial artist, was the in-your-face combat specialist and routinely had the highest damage attacks.

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The Dumb Gadgetter: A technical savant, or just a rich guy who buys all his goodies... but no 'team brain', just a boor with neat toys.

 

The anti-environmental Nature Powers: Weather/plant/animal control... no 'eco-friendliness'. Nature is just my tool, exploited towards whatever my goals are (heroic or villainous), no particular need to work with it (or perhaps actively hostile/manipulative towards the natural world)

 

In a fantasy game, one of my favorite characters was 'the good necromancer': saw no problem with using people's bodies once they were done with them, was constantly confused or argumentative towards people who accused her of practicing 'dark arts'

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Forbidden Lore Master

- Happy perky and relaxed. There's too much darkness in the world to let it destroy your day.

 

The Causal Killer

- While they may kill indescribably to get the job done showing no hesitation in the field alone they suffer and feel great remorse. (Example: Machine Gun Joe, Death Race, 2008)

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The unusual Black Magican (in this setting it meant "someone who would use any magic, regardless of ethics or questions of good and evil"):

Played him in d&d. True Neutral. He wouldn't hesistate to use a succubus or undead for a job, but when demons/devils where the foe, angels where the right choice. Both good and evil beeings where just tools for him and he used the right tool for the right job.

He detested the classical "evil black magicians" who thought "just because I can summon a demon/use forbidden magic/use evil magic, it's the only way to do something" and entered into demon pacts.

"These fools give us true black magicians a bad reputation"

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