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Raising another tricky issue. If Moreaus are considered people and therefore other people having sex with them is not bestiality, is a Moreau having sex with a non-sapient member of its baseline species considered bestiality? Lucius Alexander Ignore this tagline

Hey hey we're twelve monkees People say we monkee around But we're too busy jailbreaking zoos To spread civilization destroying global epidemics around Lucius Alexander Hey hey we're palindromedarees

Or second bestiality, or not-that-goodiality? But fascinating as these topics are for some of us, not every gaming table will need to explore every possible ramification of the weird things in their setting. Even someone playing a female talking beast may not want to consider questions such as, does she go into heat? and, what does she get up to and with whom when she does? Lucius Alexander Fortunately there are things I don't have to worry about....

I've wondered if it might be useful or interesting to have a thread discussing issue of race and ethnic identity in gaming. I was recently at a gaming con and was struck by a certain lack of diversity relative to the population at large. Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Enterprises is an Equal Opportunity Unemployer. We're not hiring anybody right now.

Love to see the citation on this by the way. But there is a critical difference between the creatures you describe, and an extraterrestrial. An Amendment to the US Constitution defines any person born in the US as a citizen. Now, it's true that the law can be illogical and inconsistent, but if talking animals born in the US win recognition as persons, it may be hard to keep them from being recognized as citizens. I could definitely see that happening, though - like I said the law can be illogical and inconsistent. But if they do get that status - accorded the same standing as "foreign nationals" i.e. as people but not citizens - expect that some at least will try to follow the path of naturalization and earn citizenship that way. Perhaps loosely connected to that issue.... Sooner or later, a human and a talking animal are going to try to get married. Sooner or later, a human will try to legally adopt a talking animal as their child. Sooner or later, a talking animal family will want to adopt a human baby. Whatever name they give the child, expect the media to dub them "Tarzan" or "Mowgli." Yeah, things would get hairy. Maybe even furry. Lucius Alexander Oh, I'm just giving it a little time off.

That's not a Power; that's just using Interrogation as complementary to Streetwise. Lucius Alexander Uses Riding: Palindromedary as complementary to Deduction

Whoever created them, or someone who CLAIMS to be responsible for creating them, are likely to assert property rights. If something is not legally recognized as a person, then owning, buying, selling, and exploiting it wouldn't be legally recognized as slavery. But at worst, they would still have the legal protections that NON-talking animals have. A law banning dog fighting still applies if the dogs are fighting with kung-fu moves and can say "My kung-fu is greater, I shall be victorious!" Anyone laying claim to a moreau would be held responsible for its food, water, shelter, and veterinary care. Unclaimed individuals might find themselves "wards of the state" like any stray dog. It won't come to the ugliest possible result of that because there will always be someone to "adopt" a "stray" that can talk. Status as useful and desirable will be a double edged sword; there will certainly be those arguing to classify them as "property" and thus even more freely exploitable than they would be as non-citizen people. Inevitably they will be exploited for other people's agendas. PETA for example will be eager to recruit talking animal spokesmen willing to take the position "ALL animals deserve the same rights as humans, whether they can ask for them or not." Some moreaus might agree with that sentiment but many are sure to see it as counterproductive and argue that securing freedom and civil recognition for themselves depends on DIFFERENTIATING themselves from the non-sapient. Alongside the legal wrangle, there will be a big theological buzz, and the two will effect each other. Even those who think the creation of such things is "playing God" and sinful might say that the creatures themselves are innocent souls...or might assert that they are still beasts over which the descendants of Adam ought to have dominion, or even conclude that they are abominations and should be destroyed. If too many Americans come to the last conclusion, it will be an uphill struggle to get them any legal protection. There may be ridiculous differences in how they are treated depending on the laws covering the base species. Setting aside the question of whether they may be killed with impunity, some will die from time to time in accidents. It might be perfectly legal for a human to consume the flesh of a talking cow (not while it's still talking - you know what I mean) but not that of a talking horse. Conversely, while alive, the horse might be able to travel more or less freely but the cow could be restricted from leaving or entering some countries by regulations put in place in response to mad cow disease. Before there is federal action on the matter, if there ever is, expect a patchwork of legislation from the states. If talking animals are seen as valued additions to a community, one state may pass sweeping protections for them or recognize them as persons to encourage them to immigrate. If they are seen as dangerous and threatening, states may pass laws forbidding them entry, period. If moreus are legal property in one place and recognized as free people in another, well, look at US history before the civil war for ideas on how that plays out. Lucius Alexander Conspicuous by its absence....

Sounds like this guy might get very confused himself about what's real and what's not. You're Not Real to Me: (Total: 50 Active Cost, 25 Real Cost) Desolidification , Costs Endurance Only To Activate (+1/4) (50 Active Points); Conditional Power Only for interactions with a specific character, object, or phenomenon (-1) (Real Cost: 25) This power represents the illusionist deciding that a specified character isn't really there. That character and the illusionist then cease to be real to each other; neither's powers effect the other, they can pass through one another, etc. The illusionist could also decide that a wall isn't real and thus pass through it, or that a building isn't really on fire and thus the disbelieving illusionist would not be burned. The illusionist may only "disbelieve" one thing at a time out of their personal reality, so if a brick has been vainly swinging a lamp post through where the illusionist is they may hand the weapon off to another brick and say "here, you try!" and the second brick might hit. The illusionist could disbelieve the light post and then no one can hit with it, but then both bricks would be able to run up and punch the illusionist. Lucius Alexander Denies being a phantasm created by a palindromedary

I have done a number of variations of "Fast Healer" based on Regeneration. Fast Healing (Total: 4 Active Cost, 1 Real Cost) Regeneration (1 BODY per Day) (4 Active Points); 6 Charges which Recover every 1 Week (-1 1/4), Requires A Roll (Characteristic roll; Jammed; CON; -1) (Real Cost: 1)Real Cost: 1 Lucius Alexander Heroic palindromedary

On 400 points? I don't know that it can be done. Lucius Alexander Even with a palindromedary not all things are possible

If by "around 6" you mean "7" Lucius Alexander Around a palindromedary

I like it less well the very first phase of the very first battle. I like it just fine the second phase of the fight, and in every subsequent fight, as the value of the DEX remains constant and your PRE gets less and less useful. Lucius Alexander Gift wrapping a palindromedary to make a presents attack

Over time, defects would creep in. They need to hang onto that ancient genetic engineering knowledge and keep up the maintenance. Speaking of which, I've just gone through the thread and I think fixed the formatting in all my old posts. I encourage anyone else who posted to do so, if you'd like to be easily legible. Lucius Alexander Quality Checking a Palindromedary

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No Sell: (Total: 15 Active Cost, 10 Real Cost) Cannot Be Stunned (15 Active Points); Conditional Power Must be aware of attack (-1/2) (Real Cost: 10) Lucius Alexander The palindromedary explains that "No Sell" is a pro wrestler's term for not playing along and pretending to be hurt by attacks in the ring.

Explorer Valor Starlight Boldness Traveler Pioneer Pathfinder Trailblazer Beowulf Byrd Gilgamesh Marco Polo Lucius Alexander The palindromedary says that WAS just your signature, Lucius, not adding yourself to the list of proposed names?

....you have a very good point, and I am not so clever as I think I am. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary says I'm not even as clever as I really am.

I am in favor of indefinitely postponing the end of the world. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary says Lucius Alexander is just the world's greatest procrastinator

We're so glad you came here! Which version/edition are you using? Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Complete

So I could, theoretically, abort to my next phase, put all combat levels on Grab, and then Dodge. Or if not aborting, put all combat levels on Dodge, and then perform, say, Disarm or Strike. Lucius Alexander I tried removing the hump from a palindromedary, and got an indignant palindromedary

It's on a Focus. Unless the Focus is defined as personal, you can give the berries to anyone and they work. Lucius Alexander Feeding a berry to a palindromedary

That's an intriguing idea. I would probably be inclined to say a Summoning attached to a Base will produce Summonees who stay near the base, mostly.....but that's just my first thought, I could see changing my mind about it. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wants an anti-Summon power to repel dislike-minded beings.

Not as Characteristics. That work can be done with Combat Skill Levels. Yes, they would still exist as values used in the game, but I am talking in this case about changing how Hero is perceived. and cutting out 4 Characteristics (OCV, DCV, OMCV, DMCV) which is close to a quarter of the total Characterics strikes me as a helpful move in that respect. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary notes it is less radical than other ideas being bandied about.

Goodberry: (Total: 14 Active Cost, 8 Real Cost) Regeneration (1 BODY per Minute) (14 Active Points); IIF Expendable (Difficult to obtain new Focus; -1/2), 12 Charges (-1/4) (Real Cost: 8) Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Enterprises

They're hairy and they're scary They live on roots and berries They're not so ordinary The Grizzly Addams Family Lucius Alexander The palindromedary was hoping I'd do the Electric Threes Company