steriaca Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mark Rand said: I like the idea of a female Supreme Serpent. It could be Jeantelle Lareau from the 4E book Normals Unbound. There could even be more than one Supreme Serpent. Or not. Really it is up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 You can certainly gender-flip if there's no reason for the character to be male. For example, I can't see Kinematik's gender having any relevance. But the Supreme Serpent's gender is pretty inextricably woven into his background and mindset, so a female would have to be a very different character. Regarding DC and Marvel female masterminds, yes, a few exist. I never said otherwise. But I notice folks are kind of scraping the barrel to try to bring their numbers up to Champions'. Which rather makes my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 I'd be remiss not to mention Champions' first female mastermind, Black Enchantress from The Coriolis Effect. You could treat her mother Ch'andarra separately, although I ended up conflating the two of them for my games. I got quite a bit of mileage out of that character back in the day, and her elemental flunkies, Flame, Wave, and Stone. aylwin13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. R Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 5:47 PM, Lord Liaden said: (In my own games I had Gravitar encounter the Futurists, from Champions Villains Vol 2, and essentially co-opt their agenda and service.) I am not familiar with this group. Could you describe them to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 18 hours ago, steriaca said: The Supreme Serpent can just as well be female. Same with Luthor Black (Lilith Black?). I can't see a female Doctor Destroyer (the Nazi history tends to rule a female Destroyer out). Same with Murtie (sp!). I could see a female Dr. Destroyer happening one way, as a side effect of his life-extension efforts. He finally found one that worked without problem with his test subjects, permanently restoring youth. However, it interacted with his unique genetic code in an unanticipated way than it did with his test subjects, the allele refresh removing his y-chromosomes and replacing them with copies of his x-chromosomes, yielding a 20-something Dr. Destroyer who happened to now be physically female. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Mr. R said: I am not familiar with this group. Could you describe them to me? Two villains which are more anti-government people. The Fiend is a slight sadist cause his mutant powers revolve around pain manipulation. The other guy, whose name escapes me, is just another guy in power armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 The other guy is called Morticus. Former USA government covert agent, bitter about how he was treated by his country, which led him to want to establish a new world order. He uses high-tech armor with electrical weaponry. The Fiend is European aristocracy, and has a sense of noblesse oblige, which is how Morticus drew him into his schemes. They also sometimes work with a super-hacker known as Cybercide, described as essentially the same as Cybermind from CV 3, but with a more ruthless outlook. I thought the Fiend would be the contact point with Gravitar. The Futurists' agenda would give her ambitions more purpose and focus, and maybe provide a rallying point for recruiting others. Of course once on board she'd insist on taking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 I could see Scorpia being a Mastermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Perhaps, although her MO seems to favor letting someone else do the hard work of building up an organization, then backstab them and take over. Terror Inc. didn't survive her murder of Prof. Muerte intact, so I'm not sure how she'd handle actual control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said: I could see Scorpia being a Mastermind. I don't. She seems to me focused on short term and perhaps at best medium term goals. She's also impulsive. Not a great trait for a mastermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Perhaps, although her MO seems to favor letting someone else do the hard work of building up an organization, then backstab them and take over. Terror Inc. didn't survive her murder of Prof. Muerte intact, so I'm not sure how she'd handle actual control. Well Terror Inc didn’t survive her control because the writer said so. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Dr. MID-Nite said: I don't. She seems to me focused on short term and perhaps at best medium term goals. She's also impulsive. Not a great trait for a mastermind. And who isn’t when they’re younger? If she’s older perhaps she has learned patience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Scorpia was a terrorist in Ireland during the Troubles. If she gets much older she'll be doing her masterminding from a rocking chair. Matt the Bruins and Lawnmower Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Scorpia was a terrorist in Ireland during the Troubles. If she gets much older she'll be doing her masterminding from a rocking chair. Well this is Champions after all. How many age retarding serums are out there? Among other things? 😁 pbemguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Well it could be Scorpio II a legacy villainess too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Madame Synn or Dark Malice been mentioned? Both from the Champions comics. Anyone have stats for them? (Madame Synn is Icestar's arch-enemy.) Madame Synn Dark Malice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said: Well this is Champions after all. How many age retarding serums are out there? Among other things? 😁 Absolutely. However, one of the things I really appreciated, when Hero Games was publishing Champions Universe supplements, was that the majority of their characters actually did age normally. Many of the named supers of the past retired, even died of complications from age. No few identities were taken up by a super's child, or protege, or fan. Just among the official published characters we had two Golden Avengers, two Amazing Mans (Men?), two Flashovers, two Streaks, three Scarlet Archers, three Brawlers, four Meteor Mans, half-a-dozen All-Americans, and of course, ten Black Masks; just to name a few. I would have expected that trend to continue had Hero continued putting out CU supplements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, pbemguy said: Madame Synn or Dark Malice been mentioned? Both from the Champions comics. Anyone have stats for them? (Madame Synn is Icestar's arch-enemy.) Madame Synn Dark Malice Malice was originally a key figure in the Champions mini-series by Eclipse Comics that brought Icestar, Marksman, Flare etc. into comic form. Each character had pre-4E Champions game stats. IIRC Malice at full power had a 180-pt. VPP, but not that much END to power it. Her other stats were low-level superhuman (at least by 5E/6E standards). Malice was never in any Hero Games books. I never saw game stats for Madame Synn, or for that matter read any comics with her in them, so I don't know if she was ever written up for Champions. pbemguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Malice was originally a key figure in the Champions mini-series by Eclipse Comics that brought Icestar, Marksman, Flare etc. into comic form. Each character had pre-4E Champions game stats. IIRC Malice at full power had a 180-pt. VPP, but not that much END to power it. Her other stats were low-level superhuman (at least by 5E/6E standards). Malice was never in any Hero Games books. I never saw game stats for Madame Synn, or for that matter read any comics with her in them, so I don't know if she was ever written up for Champions. (Oops. I don't know why I was calling her "Dark Malice," it's just "Malice," you are correct.) Malice seemed interesting in the comic series, seemed mastermind-ish, and her stats are in the comics (VPP as you mentioned), although I don't have the comics in my current location. She would be interesting to resurrect since she is part of the CU, albeit perhaps peripherally (extended CU?). Anyone have her background/personality blurb? (I mean, we're not talking about publishing her, we're talking about putting her in a campaign, non? Wouldn't it be fun to bring her back? Plus, if you read the comics, you can get a feel for her personality.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Found this: Link: http://spectrumofmadness.blogspot.com/2010/11/champions-3-4.html Quote As for Malice, she was a malicious spirit who was entombed after stealing the secret of immortality from the god Zeus. Eventually the tomb was discovered by Melissa D’Arque, who became the new host of her soul. To recharge herself after centuries of confinement she sucked her companion dry, but lucky for the world he found a magic harness in the depths of the tomb that not only saved his life but changed him into the first Giant. Which the gods had left for a champion to find to use to destroy Malice. Rather than take back their immortality since they had, after all, already neutralized her. and She was the doom of the Olympian Gods. A demon of hatred who posed as Persephone, the daughter of Zeus. After centuries of effort, she at last succeeded in stripping the gods of their immortality, and was punished with a curse that doomed her to an eternity of imprisonment beneath the sands of Egypt. But in the year 1932, the demon escaped the curse of Persephone by possessing the body of a mortal woman. She became Dark Malice. In that guise, for more than five decades, has sought to spread her particular brand of evil across the entire globe. Link: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/malice/4005-26823/ (Sometimes they do call her Dark Malice. Which is not as good as just Malice, but it happens...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 There was never any writeup on Madam Synn. All e know is that she has a lot of hi-tech toys and manpower in the form of agents. She doesn't appear to have much in the way of powers. All we know I that Cynthia Wu is smart enough to constantly pull the wool over Icestar's eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 To create Madam Synn (or Syn, but never Sin), first pick a martial arts style or two. Then give her a good enough Gadget Pool VVP. Then find an agent writeup you like and make it your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Your sudden concern for correct spelling makes me smile. steriaca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: Your sudden concern for correct spelling makes me smile. Some supervillains take it personally when you misspell their names. You never know when there's going to be a cross-dimensional incursion so "better safe than sorry". TheNaga and Amorkca 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Agreed. My avatar has murdered for scarcely more reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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