Cancer Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Maybe you can hornswoggle the Panthers' ownership.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 The former Bronco isn't mincing words. Mark Schlereth rips effort from Jeudy and Sutton, would cut both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 21 hours ago, unclevlad said: Where I disagree with the article is, it's assuming the only strategy for the draft is go for the QB, when you don't have a QB. Yeah, that's modern conventional wisdom, but that doesn't mean it's right. Get the pieces. Get the o-line, the d-line. Can't agree with this more. We have talked about the step back that young QBs seem to take, but a big part of that is an O-line that cannot block and are getting them killed or receivers who can make spectacular catches but not ones that hit them in the hands (this feels like an epidemic in the NFL). Carr's brother is a great example of this, but I have seen it recently with Burrows and Lawrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Is it possible that Zach Wilson might have been a functional quarterback had he had a veteran to learn from and a decent O-line to protect him? We'll never know, of course, but it's fun to speculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Huh... Broncos are actually not the biggest underdog of the week. Not even 2nd biggest. SNF: Giants at Bills. -14, Bills. Early slot Sunday, Panthers at Dolphins. Fins, -13.5. KC's only -10.5. The pikers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 Former NFL player Sergio Brown taken into custody in connection with his mother’s death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Pariah said: Is it possible that Zach Wilson might have been a functional quarterback had he had a veteran to learn from and a decent O-line to protect him? We'll never know, of course, but it's fun to speculate. A decent O-line and competent coaching. I think the veteran is optional. slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 18 hours ago, unclevlad said: Huh... KC's only -10.5. The pikers... Possibly being cautious with the line while waiting on Kelce's status.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 That the Donkeys have lost fifteen straight against the Chefs is well known. But of those losses, eight, including the last three, have been one score games. The Broncos often seem to play better against KC. Just, you know, not well enough to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 Plus, it's TNF, with all the chaos that implies. That said, lordy...I'd love a good 30 point beat down. These Broncos aren't lovable losers, they're Biggest Losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 HA!!! Never a doubt!!!! ....thank you Harrison Butker, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! ...and geeze, that kick at the end of the half coulda been good from, what...65? 70? It was CRUSHED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 Butker was the only impressive player on the field tonight. I'm not sure what's up with the Chiefs. They've been playing undermotivated all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 I was thinking they'd get it together tonight, but you're right. They're winning, but they're still misfiring on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 The Chiefs beat the Vikings so odds on they were going to beat the Broncos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 Chiefs' defense has been better than what you might expect; before Thursday, it was about 8th or 9th in YPG, and tied with Buffalo for 5th in points per game. Those obviously improved. So, OK, we can say that was a factor...but even more, it looks like the Bronco offense is getting worse. Wilson's season rating dropped about 6-7 points; his QBR dropped about 5...and it was low to begin with. By QBR, he dropped to 28th in the league...sandwiched between the 2 New York QBs, then it's Tannehill, Pickett, and Young. The Athletic built their own, similar synthetic metric they call the Quarterback Reliability Index; Wilson's 25th there. Kirk Cousins is 26th...which suggests it's an interesting metric, at least to me. They're using data since the start of the '22 season. BTW...guess who #1 in both metrics is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 My apologies to Denver fans, it's worse than you could have imagined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Cancer said: My apologies to Denver fans, it's worse than you could have imagined This is making the move, considering all its implications, arguably the worst ever, altho the Deshaun Watson trade/contract is very similar. But the Browns still have some cap space. The other thing this suggests is, it'll be a fire sale *soon* as the Broncos ditch salary. No one will trade for Wilson. The salary cap situation probably means Denver is going to be *worse* next year, if that's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 The thing is, although he is drastically overpaid, I'm not sure Wilson is the problem on the field. I watched the game against KC, and Wilson seemed like he was playing about as well as could be expected. His problem was that his receivers weren't getting open. And that's the weird part to me because Jeudy and Sutton and (especially) Mims are pretty good at their jobs. What struck me was the offensive game plan. If there's one thing Payton is known for it's scheming receivers open. His offenses always featured lots of crossing routes, rubs, and overloads to throw off defenders, and heavy involvement of the TEs and RBs in the passing game to just flood the field with eligible receivers. None of that happened on Thursday. Receivers were running straightforward, easily covered out routes. TEs were targeted twice and I'm not sure RBs were targeted at all--certainly not beyond the LOS. So I'm a little mystified as to what's happening in Denver. Do the players just not get Payton's offense? Are they just poorly suited for it? Does Payton just not get along with Wilson? Is he actively trying to sabotage him? Was Payton even the offensive mastermind in NO or was that all Brees? Unfortunately none of these explanations come with a quick fix, and recent rumors that Denver is putting key players on the trade block strongly suggest that leadership is waving a white flag. It's so disappointing--I was certain that Hackett was the one big problem for the franchise. Now I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 Caught most of the 2nd half of the London game. STILL don't trust Lamar Jackson. More notable...Tannehill has to be near the top of QBs to be benched for performance, not injury. His numbers are awful; 30th in both rating and QBR coming into the week, and absolutely disastrous today, before he left the game. 8/16 for 60 net passing yards, and a pick. Also, Tannehill's contract expires this season, with the exception of 2 years' worth of prorated bonus. That's under $10M, so even as a cap hit, it's not bad. If Tannehill continues to play, then IMO it's a serious indictment that Malik Willis isn't an NFL caliber QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 It was not screened because of the rugby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 The Vikings beat the Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Conflict of interest or 'whoever wins, we lose' ? The Raiders beat the Patriots. And on other tidings the Lions beat the Buccaneers Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unclevlad Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Be glad the Raiders beat the Pats...and how they did. Jimmy G couldn't play the 2nd half...and the Pats *still* can't overcome, which is a deep statement about the state they're in. And yeah, OK, disliking the Raiders is entirely understandable, but they're a terrible team. Wins? Broncos, Packers, Pats. Barely, in all cases. Packers are actually ranked 20 right now (Pro Football News' rankings, counting most of today's games)...Broncos 28, Pats 29. Raiders are 25. They're 3-3 but that's based on a soft schedule. They do still have Bears, Giants, Vikes, and Broncos, so 7 wins is possible, if Jimmy G can play. (With Hoyer...eww. Not good.) But...Lions, Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs twice, and Chargers. And the Colts...which may prove to be another they should win. Leave that in the indeterminate column. What the HECK is going in with Buffalo, too? Down 6-0 at home to the Giants??? But they're on the move now... This is yet another day where Chaos Reigns. Niners and Eagles lose, who'da thunk it? EDIT: and it could've been a triple. Bills play bad on offense for much of the game...make a number of execution errors late, Allen missing an open receiver that would've resulted in a game-ending first down, then a missed FG giving the Giants a decent window. Bills have to hold off 2 plays inside the 10...first got called a pass interference on em, it was egregious. Second *could* have been. So...another game where a nominally far superior team plays down to the level of its competition. Arguably, THAT is the NFL's New Normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Man there was a lot of bad football this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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