Enforcer84 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Okay, I have begun (and in some cases finished) writes ups for the JLA "Magnificent Seven" Aquaman Batman The Flash Green Lantern Martian Manhunter Superman Wonder Woman That being said, who should I look to as the Avenger's Answer? At this moment my thoughts are: Captain America Giant-Man Hulk Iron Man Thor Vision Wasp Is this a good list? The Essential Avengers? I waffle on replacing Giant Man and Wasp with Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch, but Hank and Jan were originals...Am I forgeting someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendaran Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Hulk was really briefly an Avenger, I wouldn't call him essential. Amusingly, most of the sheer powerhouses that have been Avengers that could stand up to members of the JLA, I wouldn't call iconic as far as recognition (I mean, he's one of my favourites, but how many people really know who Quasar is and what his powers are?). I'd replace Hulk with Scarlet Witch, she's been a big time active Avenger for a good long while, longer and more consistently than her brother even. Other than that, those are indeed the big Avengers mainstays. Good luck statting Thor though, his various Mjolnir feats are outright demented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I think Hulk's role as an Avenger was so limited that he can be easily left off the list in favor of, say, Hawkeye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendaran Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Actually, good luck statting Wanda at that. There's actual magic user Wanda with mystical senses and everything. There's just mutant probability manipulating, hex bolt throwing Wanda. There's my god Bendis is a hack functionally omnipotent Wanda.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) That being said, who should I look to as the Avenger's Answer? At this moment my thoughts are: Captain America Giant-Man Hulk Iron Man Thor Vision Wasp Is this a good list? The Essential Avengers? I waffle on replacing Giant Man and Wasp with Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch, but Hank and Jan were originals...Am I forgeting someone? Go with your second thoughts. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man. definitely, not the Avengers without them. Hulk? Has fought against them as often as with them. Off the list. The Wonder Man / Scarlet Witch / Vision triangle says Avengers to me. Hawkeye. Definitely Hawkeye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Okay, and I fianlly decided to go with a standardized "Avengers" package. It looks like this...for now. I want to throw in the Avengers Id Card which has communications abilities. BTW, the Avengers team has a Liason from the US Government and is not affiliated with the UN or SHIELD. Player: NPC Val Char Cost 10 STR 0 10 DEX 0 10 CON 0 10 BODY 0 10 INT 0 10 EGO 0 10 PRE 0 10 COM 0 2 PD 0 2 ED 0 2 SPD 0 4 REC 0 20 END 0 20 STUN 0 6" RUN 0 2" SWIM 0 2" LEAP 0 Characteristics Cost: 0 Cost Skill 2 TF: Quinjet 3 Teamwork 11- Skills Cost: 5 Cost Perk 5 Access: Avengers Mansion 8 Computer Link: AVENGERS Database 5 Fringe Benefit: Membership: The Avengers (Active Membership) 1 Money: Well Off 2 Reputation: Member of the Avengers (A small to medium sized group) 14-, +2/+2d6 5 Vehicles & Bases: Quinjets, Avengers Mansion, other offices - Individual Contribution Perks Cost: 26 Total Character Cost: 31 Pts. Disadvantage 10 Hunted: Avengers Liason 11- (As Pow, NCI, Watching) 15 Hunted: Foes of the Avengers 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish) 10 Social Limitation: Must honor Avengers Bylaws & Charter or face expulsion (Occasionally, Major) Disadvantage Points: 35 Base Points: 500 Experience Required: 0 Total Experience Available: 0 Experience Unspent: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Go with your second thoughts. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man. definitely, not the Avengers without them. Hulk? Has fought against them as often as with them. Off the list. The Wonder Man / Scarlet Witch / Vision triangle says Avengers to me. Hawkeye. Definitely Hawkeye. As a HUGE Avengers fan, I'll support this opinion as well. Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch need to be on there. Hulk doesn't belong at all. I'd probably also get rid of Giant Man if you are limited to seven....if I had to choose between him and Wasp. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Okay, I'll say goodbye to Bruce, but I have difficulty ditching Jan and Hank. I'll ponder some more before I narrow it down. However: Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man will most definately be involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard00 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch. For some reason that's the group that stands out most in my mind. Hank Pym may be a founder, and he's certainly impacted the group tremendously in a variety of ways, but for some reason I don't see him as "definitive" (YMMV, of course). He'd be a great NPC, though, as would Beast & Wonder Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I've given some thought to the "definitive" Avengers lineup, since they've always been my favorite comic superteam. IMO it's partly a matter of longtime service, so that "Avenger" is part of how the character is identified; but also the role that the character plays within the team. Captain America is the soul of the Avengers. He's acknowledged as their greatest leader, tactically and in his ability to inspire. He's universally respected by other heroes and the public at large. Thor is the Avengers' "big gun," the guy whose power consistently puts them over the top compared to other Marvel teams. His presence always makes the team's opposition take them seriously. Iron Man has been crucial to the Avengers on several levels: financial patron, chief techno-wizard, frontline fighter and sometime leader. The Vision really belongs nowhere else than with the Avengers. Though he has left at various times, he always returns as they are his only real family. The Scarlet Witch has often proven invaluable as the Avengers' mistress of the occult. Other than her brother Quicksilver she also seems to have no other family connection or true home. If Cap is the soul of the Avengers, Hawkeye is their heart. The Avengers gave him a chance to turn his life around, and that means more to him than just about anything. His hot head has often led him to break ranks with them, but when they need him he always comes running. And he's often the guy with the right arrow at just the right time. Now, the seventh spot was harder to pin down. There have been many great characters important to the Avengers over the years: Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Black Panther, Beast, and on and on. Of the veterans, Hank Pym and the Wasp have been around since the beginning, and are frequently active Avengers. However, Hank's superheroic guise is constantly shifting - Ant Man, Giant Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, and plain Dr. Pym, super-scientist. Not to mention his recurring mental health problems. The Wasp has been more consistent, and has all of Hank's insect-based powers, but has grown as a character over the years, even becoming leader of the Avengers on two occasions. So, IMHO the seven essential Avengers are: Captain America Thor Iron Man The Vision The Scarlet Witch Hawkeye The Wasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard00 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) So, IMHO the seven essential Avengers are: Captain America Thor Iron Man The Vision The Scarlet Witch Hawkeye The Wasp That's what I said, ya long-winded galoot! ahem Sorry. Just wanted to work 'galoot' into a sentence and this seemed as good a time as any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioKAOS Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I'd go with: Captain America Thor Iron Man The Vision The Scarlet Witch Hawkeye WonderMan Now that's a line-up everyone can be afraid of. I mean respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I've decided to use Vanguard00 and Lord Laiden's group. Only because I wants more womens. the JLA is such an old boys club.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Captain America Iron Man Thor Quicksilver Scarlet Witch Hawkeye She Hulk I went with the above because I feel tradition requires that the Avengers have at least 2 members that can be comfortably built on 500-700 pts and at least two members that need to be built on at least 1500-2000 pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioKAOS Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I've decided to use Vanguard00 and Lord Laiden's group. Only because I wants more womens. the JLA is such an old boys club.... Tis a good group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Yes, the chosen group seems like the best option. FWIW, we have a more or less "definitive" Hulk anyway, courtesy of the writeup that was done when the movie came out, so leaving him out isn't a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) I was never a huge Avengers fan, but the characters that scream Avengers to me are: Captain America Iron Man Thor Hawkeye Scarlet Witch Vision Pym du jour I know Pym is an on again off again hero, but so many Avenger plot lines revolved around him in his various versions that I always think of the two together. Also, from a gamist perspective, Pym is a flexible metamorph AND a gadgeteer, filling out two archetypes otherwise missing. And finally, I never liked the Wasp. Sorry; that's just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Hmm, if you wish to make Avangers more gender balanced, and on a comparable power level with JLA, I'd go with: Captain America Iron Man Thor Scarlet Witch She-Hulk Wonder Man Warbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) So, IMHO the seven essential Avengers are: Captain America Thor Iron Man The Vision The Scarlet Witch Hawkeye The Wasp That's what I'd end up with as well. With Hank Pym, Wonder Man, and Beast as regular reservists and filling in as needed. edit - and for your next project, the "Essential Seven X-men" , to me would be: Cyclops Storm Colossus Wolverine Kitty Pryde Nightcrawler Rogue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Captain America Thor Iron Man The Vision The Scarlet Witch Hawkeye The Wasp I second (third, whatever) this list, though it pains me to leave off the Beast. To me he was an Avenger first and an X-Man second. This lineup has punch. All of them are experienced tacticians and the overall power level is high. Given how Hawkeye is the perfect weakness-exploiter and Cap performs way above his raw power, the only real lightweight here is the Wasp (and some writers beef up her sting to the big leagues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawksmoor Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Well with her stings (solid EB use and potency) and her leadership capability, her run as chairman was one of my favorites, Janet Van Dyne is a really good character to have. I know that some writers are giving her full access to Pyms' particles allowing her to grow, but the shrinker is a cool archetype jsut left alone. Hawksmoor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAge Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Without Janet (or the Beast) there would be absolutely no levity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Hawkeye would have to carry the wisecracking burden alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Hawkeye would have to carry the wisecracking burden alone. He's up to the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Captain America Thor Iron Man Vision Hawkeye Wasp Scarlet Witch this is in consideration of the relative importance of the character in the history of the Avengers, their longevity with the team, etc. I can't think of an Avengers' lineup that didn't have at least one of these guys in it. Hawkeye was instrumental in the formation of the West Coast Avengers, the Wasp has led the team on more than one occasion, and been one of the longest-serving members, Cap, Thor and IM have all been the nucleus of the team, and the Vision is basically the Avengers' nearest equivalent to Martian Manhunter--the exotic outsider, with funky powers and a solid cleanup hitter able to take down some of the toughest foes. Scarlet Witch is...uh...hot. Plus her power's a pain in the butt to write up, so I figured better you than I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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