phydaux Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 This show was highly recommended to me, so I just started watching. I'm a few episodes in, and I was struck with this thought: "She forgot to buy rPD." Some people don't learn the lesson Seeker taught us all back in 3rd Ed. Amorkca and archer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 what's that ?3red ed was before my time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) I don't think she forgot rPD, I just think she doesn't have a ton of it. I think she more likely has some Resistant Damage Reduction, Damage Negation or a combination of the two with a few points of rPD. And probably some resistant mental defense, now. Luke Cage on the other hand probably has a lot of rPD plus Resistant Damage Reduction. - E Edited August 15, 2018 by eepjr24 Added mental defense note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Some people think bleeding is a fashion statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 It seems to me that she just has a little bit of Regen and a very high EGO (high pain threshold, strong will, etc.). Her PD/ED may be a bit higher than a normal human, but I don't think any of it is resistant. Then again, the Regen may just be a Plot Device Power (i.e., she gets to be as "healed up" as the plot needs her to be at any given point in the storyline). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, zslane said: It seems to me that she just has a little bit of Regen and a very high EGO (high pain threshold, strong will, etc.). Her PD/ED may be a bit higher than a normal human, but I don't think any of it is resistant. Then again, the Regen may just be a Plot Device Power (i.e., she gets to be as "healed up" as the plot needs her to be at any given point in the storyline). Have you seen both seasons plus Defenders? I think if she did not have any resistant defenses she would have been dead a couple times. Not going into detail, spoilers. - E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Yes, I’ve seen all the seasons of all the MCU Netflix shows. She bleeds just like Daredevil. Her skin does not come across as particularly Damage Resistant. But she clearly heals faster and doesn’t seem to feel the pain as much, though maybe that’s just one of the benefits of all her drinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 so high PD, high CON high STUN little if any rPD and some slow Regen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 <shrug> We can agree to disagree. I think with the things that happen to her Jessica has some kind of resistant defense, even if it is just rDR. Probably a good bit of PD / ED (she takes several taser shots to drop), high Con and Stun and some kind of regen (she says that she heals faster than others a couple times during the shows). Fairly high STR, but not as high as in the comics. Her "flight" her is more of a superleap unless they develop it more (it was on again off again in the comics as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phydaux Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 While Jessica & Luke are clearly more Dark Champions than Champions, Jessica is more Street level and Luke is more Heroic level. Neither are Supers level. That's for "That green guy and his team." On a side note, this shows why ALL my PCs have at least a little EGO/Mental Defense. And Power Defense. And Flash Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phydaux Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 16 hours ago, bubba smith said: what's that ?3red ed was before my time Seeker was a member of The Champions back in 3rd Ed. In fact, he was featured prominently right on the cover of the 3rd Ed rule book. He was in the place currently held, on again/off again, by Nighthawk. He was an Australian martial artist who went around in Gi pants, no shirt, throwing stars, and a pair of sais (which the source books all called "tri-irons" for some inexplicable & infuriating reason). And, famously, he had NO rPD/rED. Meaning that while he was a full fledged member of a super hero team, a single gang banger with a broken beer bottle stood a decent chance of landing him in the hospital. Thereafter he was the poster child reminding players everywhere that all PCs should have at least a little rPD & rED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phydaux Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 sigh... Bubba, you're a straight up SOB. I didn't even notice until after my post that you have a Seeker avatar. You caught me, Bubba. You caught me. drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Isn't that the cover of 4th Edition (BBB)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Yeah, I think he meant 4th ed. I’ve played martial artists with no resistant defenses, but not in gritty, street level campaigns where, presumably, KAs are commonplace. So I think the campaign setting (and style) can and should have an influence on whether or not everyone puts in “little bits of rPD/rED” even when it isn’t in concept to do so. If Jessica Jones were a PC in a Dark Champions campaign, I think her player would be well advised to give her some bit of resistant defenses of some kind just because its a game and there’s no writer giving you plot immunity. But on the show, Jessica routinely does foolhardy things knowing full well she could be physically harmed, even killed, but she doesn’t care, and she gets away with it only because the writers let her (not because her powers will protect her, aside from her Slow Regen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I have yet to see Jessica Jones, but knowing the character's story, I think she should have bought Mental Defense. Lots of it. Being mind-controlled stinks. Just ask the MCU's Clint Barton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 In game terms, I'd say Jessica's Mental Defense was bought using accumulated XP with the in-story explanation being the psychological shock of killing someone while under the influence of Mind Control. However, we don't really know if her MD is universal or only protects her against Kilgrave in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Jessica's defense against Kilgrave works more like developing the defense against an all or nothing NND than Mental Defense. His powers just do not work on her any longer. Ironically, this fuels his obsession with her, since she is the only person he can have real conversation or interaction with and get genuine responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorkca Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I think at some point in time Kilgrave said I'll not use my powers on you anymore and he made her immune to them without her needing mental defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Amorkca said: I think at some point in time Kilgrave said I'll not use my powers on you anymore and he made her immune to them without her needing mental defense. That didn't happen in the shows. It could have happened off air, I guess, but the fact that he kept trying to boost his power to get control over her again belies it. There are two popular theories on the boards I have seen. The first is that her regeneration / improved healing eventually defeated the virus and started producing anti-bodies (in the show his power is a viral based one). The other is that she snapped after the "bus scene" as it broke one of her major Psych Complications and allowed her another check, whereupon she spent accumulated XP on mental defense, either generally or with a "Only versus viral mind control" limitation. - E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I don't think her Regen would have been fast-acting enough to eliminate his influence, something he had to "refresh" every 24 hours. And since she was in his presence nearly 24/7 during her "thrall" phase with him, I don't think her healing ability would ever have been able to overcome the constant infusion of his virus/pheromones. Killing Reva caused a psychological break that instantly made her immune (she was able to walk away from him that very moment). I don't know if there's a clean Hero System game mechanics explanation for that, but the meta-explanation is that she spent XP on the necessary power(s) (and for the tv show, the writers simply made it so). RDU Neil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 It's your classic "Radiation accident" "I want to dump all 10 points (of xp) into Mental def!" GM:"OK, I'll set up a scenario where you have a psych break, and become resistant to Mind Control (-1) or Mental def, you're choice" "Sounds cool" RDU Neil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 And I think she has some rDef: Cinematic (-1/4) "won't stop the first Body of a killing attack" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, zslane said: And since she was in his presence nearly 24/7 during her "thrall" phase with him, I don't think her healing ability would ever have been able to overcome the constant infusion of his virus/pheromones. Consider alcoholics and their high tolerance to alcohol. It's the constant exposure that builds it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I guess for me that's one issue I have with reinterpreting Kilgrave's power as a virus. It implies that it operates according to conventional viral/immunological mechanics, treating his power like a pathogen that the body could suppress or eliminate all on its own. Additionally, being a virus disqualifies it as an addiction vector, making it nothing at all like alcohol, or anything else that the body would build a tolerance against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I thought Luke Cage also started getting immune to Kilgraves abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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