Cygnia Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 The entire thread's a trip Tom Cowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 DriveThruRPG suspends game designer linked to the Nazi filth Tom Cowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 More details https://www.thegamer.com/tsr-dave-johnson-star-frontiers-playtest-racist/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 I actually watched part of a video reviewing the upcoming Star Frontiers setting. I couldn't finish it, even though the presenter was mocking TSR's whole attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 God, this is sickening. The concepts associated with race -- skin color, eye shape,, height, etc. -- are meaningless when it comes to moral worth. TThat is, except in the eyes of men like this. Let me repeat this, as it's very important. Race is a nonsense concept. It is utterly meaningless when it involves human character or ability. That's all I'm going to say. I have my own opinions about the use of "race" as a concept in D&D and other fantasy games, but they can wait for another time and setting. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 I am reasonably certain that these are standard "UFO nut" categories of aliens, that have nothing whatsoever to do with humanity, but I do recognize how it looks, particularly to modern super-sensitive eyes. David Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: I am reasonably certain that these are standard "UFO nut" categories of aliens, that have nothing whatsoever to do with humanity, but I do recognize how it looks, particularly to modern super-sensitive eyes. From one of the articles linked by Cygnia: The leaked images also show the rules state "Races in SFNG [Star Frontiers: New Genesis] are not unlike races in the real world. Some are better at certain things than others, and some races are superior than others. We get into this later on in the manual." More eugenics from the white writer who can't form coherent sentences. The leaked manual also describes the Black Lives Matter and Anti-Fascist movements as radical - because being opposed to racism and not liking fascists is apparently extreme. It seems pretty clear the writer is avowedly racist, not merely clueless. Dean Shomshak Lord Liaden and Cygnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 Yeah that does sound like dumb eugenics crap to me, although there does seem to be some evidence that its not entirely false: Africans dominate in long distance running, for example, but I'm not sure that those differences suffice to give people different racial templates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 "NuTSR"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 It's not the original TSR, ergo nuTSR -- new. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSR,_Inc.#Subsequent_trademark_usage https://chasingxp.com/the-new-tsr-controversy-and-other-adventures/ Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 There ought to have been a teeny-tiny clause nestled in the acquisition contract -> "No prejudiced douchebags wanted." Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Update on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 How did a moron like that end up with that IP? Even if the racism wasn't known, there's no way that the person who penned that garbage has any legit publishing credits or reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 It... it just goes on and on and on. And it's so blatant. I liked Star Frontiers, now I'm sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted August 26, 2022 Report Share Posted August 26, 2022 Drive Thru seems to have the original available at least. That's something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 So its not a joke or troll? They actually have the Spanish word for black as an sub optimal race? Thats just trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 31, 2022 Report Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 3:06 AM, Trencher said: So its not a joke or troll? They actually have the Spanish word for black as an sub optimal race? Thats just trash. Oh, that doesn't even scratch the surface. Use the link Cygnia has, in the 2nd post, for DriveThruRPG's statement. It's got a link to No Hate In Games' page on this, where there's a literal cesspool of this guy's stuff. And I do mean cesspool. DO NOT follow that link on a work computer unless you want to risk a call from HR. Pro-Nazi, racist, anti-gay, misogynistic...got em all. Trencher and Cygnia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted September 17, 2022 Report Share Posted September 17, 2022 WotC has filed a lawsuit against nu-TSR. Here's the story, along with some excerpts of the offending text. You have been warned. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted September 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 If folks feel uncomfortable watching that video... https://www.them.us/story/dungeons-dragons-owners-suing-racist-transphobic-rpg?utm_social-type=owned&utm_brand=them&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 RACIST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 Anyone remember the old 1e characteristics maxima in D&D? Same across the board except that female characters always had a lower STR maximum. Ultimately, the customer base will decide, and I would hope they would decide strongly against NUTS R. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 Quote Anyone remember the old 1e characteristics maxima in D&D? Same across the board except that female characters always had a lower STR maximum. *shrug* that's true about women vs men in real life. Does it need to be true in a fantasy setting? Nah, its fantasy. If I can buy you can cast spells and ride a dragon, I can buy that a 5' elf girl can fight as well and be as strong as a 6'8 barbarian. But its not sexist and evil to note reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: *shrug* that's true about women vs men in real life. Does it need to be true in a fantasy setting? Nah, its fantasy. If I can buy you can cast spells and ride a dragon, I can buy that a 5' elf girl can fight as well and be as strong as a 6'8 barbarian. But its not sexist and evil to note reality. So there is no characteristic where a lower maximum for men than for women would be appropriate? And it is true across the board, for all races, that men are stronger (the Drow were a notable 1e exception, but even there the warriors were typically male, not female)? I think the lower STR of smaller races is reasonable, although Humans always had the highest STR limit, as I recall. Unfortunately, in today's society, I believe there is a fairly large contingent which does consider noting some realities to be sexist or racist, and therefore evil. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 This judgement call is system dependent. In GURPS, it would be fair to say that women possess ST -1 relative to men; in D&D, the difference in bonus to hit/damage is often negligible (Encumbrance is more of a factor, but even that disparity isn't massive). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 Quote So there is no characteristic where a lower maximum for men than for women would be appropriate? Probably Wisdom could be capped lower, or charisma. But as I said, in a fantasy setting you can shrug at real world differences because fantasy! Sure it might not make real world sense but neither do hobbits and magic wands. That's part of why we play fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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