Nero's Boot Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Reading through Champions Universe, I came across Teleios, a very cool master villain I'll be making extensive use out of. But one thing bugs me: His origin story. Who left him the notes that led to his mastery of genetics? Was it Dr. Destroyer? An alien species? Teleios' future self? Has this ever been solved, canonically? --and if not, what's everyone's non-canonical story behind Teleios' ascension to genetic supremacy? NB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Has this ever been solved, canonically? No, it's never been revealed in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Which seems to imply that the answer is known, or maybe Long is just toying with us. My candidate would be Captain Chronos. Perhaps the experiments by Teleios are crucial to averting whatever the Captain was sent to prevent. I can't see any super-scientist from this era who would both have that knowledge, and benefit from giving it to Teleios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BishopofB&W Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story My candidate is the cosmic entity known as The Trickster. But then I think of his as like John DeLancie's Q from ST:TNG. A being whose ultimate goals are laudable but whose methods are utterly ruthless and sometimes horrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story I would not like it to be Dr. Destroyer but I could see Dr. Destroyer understanding that he personally did not have time to look for the genetic clue to fixing his problem and so "elevating" Teleios to do the trick. On a subconscious level Teleios is searching for the precise genetic process that will grant Dr. Destroyer what he needs. Of course then Teleios elevated himself past the point of Dr. Destroyer's intellect but Dr. Destroyer still believes he has the ability to control Teleios, if not with pre-planted bio-control chips than with the sheer power of his armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Somehow, I doubt it. The information on the pad of paper provided the fundamentals allowing him to build his new, perfect body. I really doubt that Dr D could provide even the basic info needed to do that, while not being able to do it himself. I favor time-travel based theories, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Somehow, I doubt it. The information on the pad of paper provided the fundamentals allowing him to build his new, perfect body. I really doubt that Dr D could provide even the basic info needed to do that, while not being able to do it himself. I favor time-travel based theories, myself. Dr. Destroyer can do it himself, he just can't do it to himself. It would also be a very simple thing for Dr. Destroyer and Menton to make Teleios believe whatever they wanted him to believe once the process was done. I'm not in favor of the time-travel theories only because I doubt anyone from the 31st century cares what Teleios is doing back in the 20th century. Everything in the 31st is far more powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story It doesn't necessarily have to be from the 31st century. There's a number of decades between his origin and the end of the current era. As for not being able to do it to himself, the problem is, we know Teleios can transfer minds between bodies ( its how he switched to his new body ). The reason Dr Destroyer can't use cloning on himself is because, well, he *can't* clone his body. The thing is, Teleios built a body that is ( almost certainly ) *better* than what Dr D has, and this was his first creation after getting the cheat sheet, using little more than extrapolations from it. Thus, if said info was good enough to create a literally perfect body, and the tech was their to transfer minds, than Dr D should have his own new, young body by now. The only way it could work otherwise is if, even before getting his new body ( and new improved brain ), Teleios was *smarter* than Dr D. ( for the record, I think that as things currently stand, Teleios probably *could* make Dr Destroyer a new body, or otherwise youthen him. Naturally, Dr Destroyer would have to be completely insane to let Teleios mess with his genes ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story It doesn't necessarily have to be from the 31st century. There's a number of decades between his origin and the end of the current era. As for not being able to do it to himself, the problem is, we know Teleios can transfer minds between bodies ( its how he switched to his new body ). The reason Dr Destroyer can't use cloning on himself is because, well, he *can't* clone his body. The thing is, Teleios built a body that is ( almost certainly ) *better* than what Dr D has, and this was his first creation after getting the cheat sheet, using little more than extrapolations from it. Thus, if said info was good enough to create a literally perfect body, and the tech was their to transfer minds, than Dr D should have his own new, young body by now. The only way it could work otherwise is if, even before getting his new body ( and new improved brain ), Teleios was *smarter* than Dr D. ( for the record, I think that as things currently stand, Teleios probably *could* make Dr Destroyer a new body, or otherwise youthen him. Naturally, Dr Destroyer would have to be completely insane to let Teleios mess with his genes ) Isn't there something unique about DrD that prevents most such "shortcuts" from working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Which seems to imply that the answer is known, or maybe Long is just toying with us. I can neither confirm nor deny these speculations. I will, however, state without reservation that Dr. Destroyer had nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story We all know Foxbat is behind everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypnotoad, the Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story How's about this? Telios got the information by ordering from the back of the comic book--right next to the X-ray sunglasses and the jalepeno bubblegum. (Okay, that sounds more like a Foxbat story than anything else I've heard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story I will' date=' however, state without reservation that Dr. Destroyer had nothing to do with it.[/quote']Which clearly means it was Albert Zerstoiten, before he became Dr. Destroyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Seriously though, I really don't think it was Destroyer/Zerstoiten. If nothing else, the fact that Teleios is more intelligent than Destroyer argues against it. It's hard to imagine Destroyer deliberately aiding anyone more intelligent than himself, no matter how little a threat Destroyer perceived him to be, or how useful Destroyer perceived him to be. It is interesting that Teleios is Watched by Destroyer, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story I can neither confirm nor deny these speculations. I will, however, state without reservation that Dr. Destroyer had nothing to do with it. Without reservations... or a shred of truth? Apart from CC, there's no one with both motive and appropriate powers... interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Without reservations... or a shred of truth? I may like to tease, but I won't lie to you, that I promise. Dr. D had nothing at all to do with it. If he had that level of knowledge, he'd keep it to his own little self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiMan Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Maybe Istvatha V’han is playing puppet master... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Don't forget the Empyreans, the Lords of Artifice, mad scientists from Babylon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Don't forget the Empyreans' date=' the Lords of Artifice, mad scientists from Babylon...[/quote'] There is mabie even someone we do not know about, who gave him thoes notes. Prehaps a race of aliens who want to replace the baseline humans running around this planet with a more healthy slave race under there control. It could be the Illumimass, a threesome of intelagent energy beings who controls Talon, there leagon of bio-constructs. Wait...Talon and the Illumimass are my creations...and I haven't yet writen them up for Steve and friends. Sorry. Then it can't be them...unless I MAKE it be them. Or...it could be YOU! Your the one who gave Teleios thoes papers! Don't pretend it wasen't you, Game Master. Your behind EVEYTHING. Even that cardboard shield which HIDES YOUR DICE ROLLS FROM US! Well, enougth of my paranoid rantings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Telios' great-granddaughter comes back in time, leaves the notes, then comes back later after Telios has made himself a more fitting mate and engages in some Heinlein-esque hanky-panky, thus getting pregnant with her own grandfather or grandmother and ensuring her own existence in the future. Then she yaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Isn't there something unique about DrD that prevents most such "shortcuts" from working? He can't clone his body, and most known means of age-slowing ( read all scientific ones available to him ) don't work. However, there has been no hint that he's incapable of having his mind transfered. Its just that he doesn't have an appropriate recepticle ( and apparently, tech-based mind transfers *require* a suitable recepticle or you lose INT ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Heck, maybe it was Malachite. Since the 5E universe reboot he must have a lot more time on his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakboy6117 Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story I came up with quite a good explination but i dont have champions universe yet so I cant fit it to Teleios. In what time period did his origin occur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story Heck' date=' maybe it was Malachite. Since the 5E universe reboot he must have a lot more time on his hands. [/quote']I like this answer the best so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutsleeve Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Re: Teleios: The origin story I know who it was. It was: The Gweenies From 4th edition chanpions BBB. They came down and thought "hey why dont we give this guy a few secrets to genetic engineering" as one of their big pranks. Now they're just sitting back and watching the hillarity like it was a late night sitcom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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