Who is the most noble or 'good' hero in the CU?

[Hermit]

Since the "Who's the most evil villain in CU?" has lead to some interesting speculation I've found interesting, I thought I'd ask about the other side. Which Champions Universe superheroes do you consider the most heroic,noble, or just plain 'good'? and what are the reasons for your choices?

 

I'm undecided myself, but I think Rowan of Ravenswood is certainly worthy of consideration. She has far sighted goals, wants to help guide the young towards becoming forces of good in this world, but respects their choices. She's made some mistakes, and regrets them.

 

Of course, if Kirby goes on with his campaign I may come to think she's a stone cold #$#$ But who knows?

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

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Once again, CLOWN gets the shaft...

 

Unfortunately I don't have enough material on the other heroes in the CU, so I'll have to bow out of this one. But Classic Champions, I like Giant

[Chuckg]

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Is DJ Johnson (the second Golden Avenger) canonical in 5e? He's a straight arrow if ever there was one.

 

And in that light, how's about Captain Patriot?

[assault]

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Seeker.

[Steve]

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I'm going to say Defender is a solid front-runner. If you read the various campaign supplements (Champions, Terran Empire, Champions 3000) and the Hero Universe timeline document, it seems the Harmon line is filled with heroes.

[Bloodstone]

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As of right now, I'd say it's probably El Dorado.

[Enforcer84]

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Brigade

 

 

 

 

(but I'm biased)

[Lord Liaden]

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If we're talking published heroes active in the present-day CU, Defender certainly would have to be among the most idealistic. Not yet having Champions Worldwide, my opinion might be affected by some of the characters therein.

 

However, if we look beyond the present day, I would include in the forefront of "noble and good" Vanguard, the late member of the Justice Squadron who sacrificed himself to destroy the asteroids that Dr. Destroyer was trying to crash to Earth in 1992 (Champions Universe p. 76). I know he hasn't been given a writeup yet, but Darren Watts had this to say about him in a post awhile back:

 

 

Vanguard will get his origin story in Silver Age Champs (and a writeup there of his early stats) and probably will get more story in the proposed Champs Universe update. Basically, he's Jeffrey Sinclair, a mightily-powerful flying brick type given his powers by an "alien artifact" in 1959. He teams up with several semi-retired Golden Age heroes in New York later that year and re-forms the Justice Squadron (which had been the #2 hero team of WWII after the Defenders of Justice), with that original group remaining the core of the team for decades (as opposed to the Sentinels, who have a lot of membership turnover. In many ways, the Justice Squadron is seen as "Vanguard and his buddies," which is probably unfair, though he clearly was the heart and soul of that team for more than thirty years.)

 

One of Earth's most famous and respected supers, he sacrificed his life in the orbital portion of the Battle of Detroit in 1992. That's all we've established about him so far. dw

 

The vibe I get from this description is that Vanguard was the CU's version of Superman, in power, reputation and character.

[Lord Liaden]

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Is DJ Johnson (the second Golden Avenger) canonical in 5e? He's a straight arrow if ever there was one.

 

And in that light, how's about Captain Patriot?

 

Yep, Daniel James "DJ" Johnson succeeded Robert Kaufman as Golden Avenger in 1997. (Champions Universe p. 44)

 

As in my previous post, if we go beyond the present day CU then Captain Patriot would have to be considered. I'm personally a little uncomfortable with his rather simplistic and rigid ethics and patriotism, but he was after all a product of his times. Certainly he firmly believed in the ideals he espoused, and held himself to a high standard of conduct.

[Mightybec]

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Pope Omega the First

[Teflon Billy]

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If we're talking published heroes active in the present-day CU' date=' Defender certainly would have to be among the most idealistic. Not yet having [i']Champions Worldwide[/i], my opinion might be affected by some of the characters therein.

 

However, if we look beyond the present day, I would include in the forefront of "noble and good" Vanguard, the late member of the Justice Squadron who sacrificed himself to destroy the asteroids that Dr. Destroyer was trying to crash to Earth in 1992 (Champions Universe p. 76). I know he hasn't been given a writeup yet, but Darren Watts had this to say about him in a post awhile back:

 

 

 

 

The vibe I get from this description is that Vanguard was the CU's version of Superman, in power, reputation and character.

Does that mean he'll have an equal chance of being resurected some day? I kind of think it'd be nice to have a legitimate Superman clone (of equal power magnitude) in the CU.

 

Maybe the aliens that gave caused his powers decided to check up on their property and found his body in space. In the intervening years since Detroit, they've been experimenting on him and when he comes back, he'll be more powerful than ever...

 

 

TB

[Jhamin]

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I would definatly agree with Defender, or maybe El Dorado.

My picks?

 

Iron Ronin has dedicated his entire life to fighting the good fight. According to his writeup he has given up on romance, family, and buisness to focus on heroism.

 

 

But if I had to pick one guy to back me up in the face of soul-withering evil, it would probably be the Fist of Allah. He wants nothing but good for everyone, and does what he can to stand up to those who don't.

I also suspect that he is about the last guy to give in to temptation.

[Hermit]

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Does that mean he'll have an equal chance of being resurected some day? I kind of think it'd be nice to have a legitimate Superman clone (of equal power magnitude) in the CU.

 

Maybe the aliens that gave caused his powers decided to check up on their property and found his body in space. In the intervening years since Detroit, they've been experimenting on him and when he comes back, he'll be more powerful than ever...

 

 

TB

 

Mmm... you know, The Death of Vanguard might make an interesting campaign starter if you wanted to rip off DC's 'Death of Superman' for ideas.

[Teflon Billy]

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I would definatly agree with Defender, or maybe El Dorado.

My picks?

 

Iron Ronin has dedicated his entire life to fighting the good fight. According to his writeup he has given up on romance, family, and buisness to focus on heroism.

 

 

But if I had to pick one guy to back me up in the face of soul-withering evil, it would probably be the Fist of Allah. He wants nothing but good for everyone, and does what he can to stand up to those who don't.

I also suspect that he is about the last guy to give in to temptation.

Bahzoo-e Khodah, say it with me, Bahzoo-e Khodah.

 

Just because Steve didn't want to use the Persian name I was able to translate for him, doesn't mean my fellow board denizens have to.

 

 

TB

[Lord Liaden]

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Thanks for providing that translation, TB, but I must say - and I mean no disrespect to any Persians or Farsi speakers - if "Bahzoo-e" is pronounced at all close to how it reads, I can understand why Steve decided not to go with it for a primarily English-speaking readership.

[Supreme Serpent]

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Foxbat.

[Lord Liaden]

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Does that mean he'll have an equal chance of being resurected some day? I kind of think it'd be nice to have a legitimate Superman clone (of equal power magnitude) in the CU.

 

Maybe the aliens that gave caused his powers decided to check up on their property and found his body in space. In the intervening years since Detroit, they've been experimenting on him and when he comes back, he'll be more powerful than ever...

 

 

TB

 

 

Mmm... you know' date=' [i']The Death of Vanguard[/i] might make an interesting campaign starter if you wanted to rip off DC's 'Death of Superman' for ideas.

 

You reading this, Darren?

[Haven Walkur]

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American Eagle, from the "VOICE of Doom" supplement and the Champions WWII material. He's definitely the Champions system's version of Captain America!

[Powerhouse]

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American Eagle, from the "VOICE of Doom" supplement and the Champions WWII material. He's definitely the Champions system's version of Captain America!

 

Except of course that the Eagle was a wimp while Cap is the MAN! The dude can pretty much beat anyone up to and including Batgod.

[OddHat]

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Yup, Foxbat. No angst, no hidden agenda, no dark secrets. No guilt, no introspection, no hesitation. No brain, no effect. Jut a happy goofball in tights, backed by the invincible shield of Silver Age Comic Relief status (at least in the official CU). Witchcraft is Bronze, borderline Iron. She can be raped, corrupted, or killed on a whim. Defender is Bronze with a touch of Silver. He can die heroically, and he can fall (only to be redeemed again).

 

Not Foxbat. He's Silver Age Comic Relief. He is pure and without sin, and he can never die, unless it's really funny, and then only for a while.

 

So, Foxbat.

[Lord Liaden]

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American Eagle, from the "VOICE of Doom" supplement and the Champions WWII material. He's definitely the Champions system's version of Captain America!

 

Except of course that the Eagle was a wimp while Cap is the MAN! The dude can pretty much beat anyone up to and including Batgod.

 

If he'd made it to the 5E CU, I'd definitely have put his name forward. His updated, expanded writeup in the first edition of the Champions Universe sourcebook regarding his personality and beliefs had Cap written all over them. He also had that "elder statesman" prestige that Cap often brings to bear. Mind you, the American Eagle did exist in the new universe as a Golden Age hero, just like in the 4E version, so maybe there's a story still to be told.

 

And whatever the totals on AE's character sheet, nobody survives to the age of sixty in the superhero biz by being a whimp.

[FenrisUlf]

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If I had to make a choice, yeah, it'd probably be Defender. There are probably heroes who've sacrificed more out there, but sadly we haven't seen much of them.

 

Though I also do like the Fist of Allah (Iranian 'good old boy' brick), Tetsuronin (what Defender wants to be when he grows up), Brigade (Aussie 'good old boy' brick), Anvil (Indian 'good old... say, is we stuck in a rut here?), Charm Girl (woof!) and of course Witchcraft. That poor girl's got so many troubles it isn't funny. but she keeps fighting the good fight.