What if: Japan won World War 2?

[wcw43921]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Here's an idea--suppose the Ninja deserve any measure of the reputation afforded to them by movies, TV, comics and any other pop culture outlet you care to name. Now suppose that in 1941, Japan sends about two dozen ninja to the United States with false credentials attaching them to the Japanese embassy in Washington, DC.

 

Now--suppose that at morning Washington time on December 7, the President, the Vice President, the Secretaries of State and Defense, the Joint Chiefs Of Staff, and other key members of the Cabinet and Congress are found murdered in their beds by unknown and undetected assailants.

 

I envision there would be a complete panic in the Washington political and military hierarchy, to say nothing of the panic that would ensue when word reaches the public. By the time the Japanese carrier forces execute their attack on Pearl Harbor, there would be no effective leadership to respond to the crisis. And without the leadership of Roosevelt to inspire the American will to win the war, defeat may not be a certainty--but it is a possibility.

 

Hope that helps.

[megaplayboy]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Well, it's "alternative history", so there are a variety of ways to get there:

e.g.: No FDR(he dies early in his first term, and an isolationist is elected in 1936), no New Deal, no naval buildup, no Lend Lease Agreement, etc. The US threatens sanctions against Japan for its actions in China but otherwise doesn't threaten them militarily. Japan first engages the UK and the Commonwealth in its eventual naval campaign, which begins in 1942, and within a year has swept them from the seas. Only the US Pacific Fleet(smaller than it was historically) remains. Pearl Harbor happens again, only this time Japan follows up by invading Hawaii. The US finally mobilizes for war, but with an economy weaker than it was in the real world, it takes much longer(as much as 2 years) to ramp up production. The Manhattan Project is delayed and badly underfunded and understaffed for a few years. The US proves unable to challenge Japanese naval supremacy in any meaningful way until 1946, at which point they have secured petroleum assets from indonesia and china, and have cut a deal with their ostensible Axis ally the USSR for steel shipments. Germany(which never declared war on the US and technically breached their alliance with Japan) and the UK reach a military stalemate and Churchill reluctantly agrees to an armistice, leaving the Axis effectively in control of most of Eurasia. In mid-1945, after years of preparation and planning, the Empire of Japan lands a force of 200,000 troops on the beaches of Northern California, and supports them by bringing down another 300,000 troops from Alaska/Canada. A brutal struggle follows. Surprisingly, the Japanese forces are able to capture most of the West Coast. On the eve of winter 1946, just as the US is about to launch a massive counter-offensive to drive the enemy out, a lone bomber drops the world's first atomic bomb on the US command headquarters. The US is taken aback, as it is at least 2-3 years away from developing its own nukes. It has no choice but to sue for peace. In the process, Japan is given control over Alaska, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah and, um, Idaho(trying to remember what state is up there).

 

The US' military supremacy is predicated on two things: one, a proactive stance on naval power between the wars; and two, a solid recovery from the Great Depression. If you don't have those two, it's much easier to construct an alternative "Japan wins" scenario.

[clsage]

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How about if Germany decided to spread its A-bomb research around so it wouldn't be a total loss if they lost a facility to the Allies? They sneak some scientists and uranium to Japan on a U-Boot, and soon afterward radiation leaking into the ocean from A-bomb research awakens a monster that's been in stasis since prehistoric times. Godzilla rampages through the US Pacific Fleet and the Japanese Imperial Fleet without preference, causing both sides to admit the futility of trying to fight with this thing around, and they agree to a cease-fire, creating a demilitarized zone running through the Pacific.

 

Hey, it's in the Champions forum, right?

 

I'm reminded of the film "Furankenshutain tai chitei kaijû Baragon"

from 1965 (aka "Frankenstein Conquers the World")....In which the

still beating heart of Frankensteins monster is shipped during the war

from Germany to Japan for research purposes at a laboratory in (wait

for it...) Hiroshima. So the monsters heart (which has the power of

regeneration which is why it is able to keep beating outside a human

host (Hey !!! I didn't write the darn thing ! ) ) is exposed

to the powers of gamma rays and such and regenerates a full body,

first human sized then gigantic.....

 

A romp in "crossover Kaiju-land" !!

 

-Carl-

[MilkmanDan]

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Well, if you're talking supers-world, it's an easy handwave. Metahumans initially are found in only one place--Japan. While the Japanese assume this is a sign of divine blessing, superpowers are actually the result of being near the presence of a certain level of cosmic radiation found only in the rarest of meteorites. One falls into Japan in 1938, giving them the first crop of supers the world has seen. Backed by these superheroes, the U.S. fleet is swept from the seas, harbor installations are wrecked, and West Coast cities are thoroughly destroyed. Having no adequate answer (and not time enough to develop the A-bomb), the U.S. surrenders.

 

Now, in the future, other shards of the meteorite have fallen, giving birth to U.S.-born supers ready to lead a resistance to Imperial Japanese rule.

 

Instant campaign background, just add water.

[Supreme Serpent]

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Hey, it's the Champions forum.

 

And the idea is to have JAPAN win, but Germany and Italy still go down the tubes?

 

Have history run its course up into summer 1945. Italy and Germany crushed.

 

US drops A-bombs, but has unintended consequence, as many of the survivors develop superpowers, the first to do so. Drafted and thirsting for revenge for the destruction of their homes and families, the thousands of Japanese supers quickly reverse allied gains in the Pacific. Whether the Allies make peace with them or are overrun altogether likely depends on the power level of the supers involved.

 

(As I'm typing this, see that MMD writing similar thing...)

[clsage]

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Um, no. Would the United States have shared nuclear technology with the Soviet Union and England just to spread it around so that if the Nazis or Japanese managed to start coordinated bombing raids against the USA that some friendly power would have it? I think not.

 

Not to pick a nit (and my understanding of the structure of the

project may well be flawed so....) but wasn't Klaus Fuchs a British

national ? I know that he moved to Britan and continued his

research (and his spying for the USSR) after the war...But wasn't

he "on loan" from the British nuclear program during the war ?

 

Hmmmm...Google Fu time.....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs

 

So as a British citizen he was assigned to an American war project.

 

And this one:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

 

where it is said:

 

"After the MAUD Committee's report, the British and Americans exchanged nuclear information but initially did not pool their efforts. A British project, code-named Tube Alloys, was started but did not have American resources. Consequently the British bargaining position worsened, and their motives were mistrusted by the Americans. Collaboration therefore lessened markedly until the Quebec Agreement of August 1943, when a large team of British and Canadian scientists joined the Manhattan Project."

 

So the shipping of atomic materials to research locations in Britain

after August 1943 might be reasonable (in game terms at least). Tho'

not for the purpose of "avoiding air-raids" but rather to allow for

distributed research.....

 

Just my $.02US. As always, YMMV.

 

-Carl-

[clsage]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Well, if you're talking supers-world, it's an easy handwave. Metahumans initially are found in only one place--Japan. While the Japanese assume this is a sign of divine blessing, superpowers are actually the result of being near the presence of a certain level of cosmic radiation found only in the rarest of meteorites. One falls into Japan in 1938, giving them the first crop of supers the world has seen. Backed by these superheroes, the U.S. fleet is swept from the seas, harbor installations are wrecked, and West Coast cities are thoroughly destroyed. Having no adequate answer (and not time enough to develop the A-bomb), the U.S. surrenders.

 

Now, in the future, other shards of the meteorite have fallen, giving birth to U.S.-born supers ready to lead a resistance to Imperial Japanese rule.

 

Instant campaign background, just add water.

 

Great concept and repped !

 

-Carl-

[clsage]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Hey, it's the Champions forum.

 

And the idea is to have JAPAN win, but Germany and Italy still go down the tubes?

 

Have history run its course up into summer 1945. Italy and Germany crushed.

 

US drops A-bombs, but has unintended consequence, as many of the survivors develop superpowers, the first to do so. Drafted and thirsting for revenge for the destruction of their homes and families, the thousands of Japanese supers quickly reverse allied gains in the Pacific. Whether the Allies make peace with them or are overrun altogether likely depends on the power level of the supers involved.

 

(As I'm typing this, see that MMD writing similar thing...)

 

And I must spread some rep around....yada, yada....

 

-Carl-

[wcw43921]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Interesting that in all of these alternate WWII threads, no one ever figures on Fascist Italy winning the war. Hmmm. . .

[MilkmanDan]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Hey, it's the Champions forum.

 

And the idea is to have JAPAN win, but Germany and Italy still go down the tubes?

 

Have history run its course up into summer 1945. Italy and Germany crushed.

 

US drops A-bombs, but has unintended consequence, as many of the survivors develop superpowers, the first to do so. Drafted and thirsting for revenge for the destruction of their homes and families, the thousands of Japanese supers quickly reverse allied gains in the Pacific. Whether the Allies make peace with them or are overrun altogether likely depends on the power level of the supers involved.

 

(As I'm typing this, see that MMD writing similar thing...)

 

Ooh, I like that. If you want to throw in a more Iron Age, evil government side, the U.S., desperate for its own supers, nukes some of its own people in hope it grants similar powers. Whether it does or not is up to the GM, but, one way or another, it becomes a major propaganda tool by the Japanese--"why should we allow you to rule yourselves, when you act with such barbarity to your own people?"

[Supreme Serpent]

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I'm sure the basic idea has been done before. In fact, I believe there was a Marvel What If? where the US dropped a Gamma Bomb on Japan, making lots of Japanese supers...

[Mark Rand]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

It occurred to me today that, with the United States loosing WW2 to Japan, there would be no PRIMUS, the United Nations may not have come into existence, and the Korean and Vietnamese conflicts probably wouldn't have occurred and the Gulf Wars wouldn't have taken place.

 

In place of a President and Vice President, we'd have a governor and lieutenant governor in Washington, many of the state licensing and registration departments would be federalized, and there'd be no "right turn on red".

[GoldenAge]

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In my alternate reality of Epic City the Japan didn't win the war... but they were smart enough to stay out of it and remained a world power because of Hirohito's patience and forethought. Here's how it unfolded:

 

The Rising Sun Hegemony

 

The first invasion by the Japanese occurred in an island in the eastern sea off China’s coast. The islands (Okinawa is the nowadays capital) --- called Liu Qiu Islands, had always been a protectorate of China since the early 200 BC. But in 1872 Japan invaded the islands and Chinese Qing Dynasty failed to protect the islanders. After the occupation, Japan imposed cultural genocide on Liu Qiu natives. Liu Qiu natives were forbidden to learn about their own history, language and culture, and thus ceased to be an independent nation.

 

On 24 October 1894, Japanese army invaded Liaodung and Shandong peninsulas of China.

 

November 22, 1894, Japanese troops captured the city of Lushuan on Liaotung peninsula and started a massacre of soldiers and civilians alike, leaving that populous city with only 36 survivors. It was the first massacre committed by the Japanese troops in China.

 

Japan and Russia declared war to each other on 10 February 1904 over the imperialistic rights in Manchuria, China. Japan defeated Russia in southern Manchuria on the land and in the sea.

 

On October 10, 1911, Chinese revolution to overthrow Qing dynasty began with the Wuchang Uprising and province after province broke with the dynasty. The outcome was that the Manchu Child-emperor formally abdicated on February 12, 1912. The Republic of China was born with Founding Father, Dr. Sun Yat-sen.

 

After WWI, in 1915, Japan invaded Shandong and forced China to grant them the imperialistic rights not only in the former German concession but also in the province of Shandong.

 

On May 4, 1919 some 3,000 college students staged a dramatic demonstration to protest further interference in Chinese affairs by the imperialist powers. China had sent labor battalions to France during WWI on the allied side, in order to gain a voice in peace settlement. But when the powers met at Versailles, they ignored China and assigned Germany’s former possession in Shandong to Japan. The students were outraged. The demonstration became violent, and China never signed the ill-fated Treaty of Versailles.

 

Japanese Prime Minister Tanaka proclaimed Japan’s strategy for achieving hegemony in East Asia. In this strategy, Japan’s objectives are:

-To conquer China, Japan must first control Manchuria and Mongolia

-To conquer the world, Japan must first control China by making China a Japanese colony.

 

By 1928, China’s Nationalist Party had conquered Beijing and controlled most of China under the leadership of Chiang Kai-shek.

 

After taking over Shanghai, Japanese troops marched toward Nanjing, the capital of China. They reached the outskirts of Nanjing on 8 December 1937 and on 13 December, the city of Nanjing finally fell to the hands of the Japanese.

 

In November 1938 Japanese government prime minister Konoe Fumimaro proclaimed Japan’s determination to establish a "New Order in East Asia" to include Japan, Manchuria and China in a political economic, and cultural union.

 

On November 22, 1943, leaders of the US and Britain announced the "Cairo Communiqué" on World War II strategies in Cairo, Egypt.

 

China staged a national counter-offense starting in July 7, 1945. The Japanese Imperial Army in China defeated the Chinese rebellion in Nanjing on September 9, 1945, finishing a century long invasion of China. Japan managed to take the eastern part of China and kill more than 35 million Chinese people after more than 100 years of invasion. Thus The Rising Sun Hegemony was born directly into adulthood as a major power in the world.

 

WWII and The Bomb?

 

By the summer of 1945 the need to end the war seemed obvious and a legitimate reason for the use of the A-bomb, however, it is important to note that "estimates" of the situation, failed to clarify the The Rising Sun Hegemony’s situation in August 1945. The Rising Sun Hegemony was beaten. Its country was physically and militarily broken. Decrypted intercepted RSH messages (MAGIC) of 12th and the 25th July were impressive confirmation of RSH trajectories to decline. Leon V. Sigal, not only reiterates this, but is bold enough to say that senior United Societies officials also knew the situation. Why then use the bomb? In 1945, American policy was set on unconditional surrender. The Rising Sun Hegemony had lost the war, but, for a time was unwilling to accept this demand. They had more than eight million soldiers available to fight, and were going to make any invasion attempt so costly for the Americans, that they would negotiate for peace. In the light of this, the killing of a few to save many seemed justified. "To avert a vast, indefinite butchery, by a few explosions." Wrote Churchill, "seemed after all our perils and toils, a miracle of deliverance." Thus, was the general consensus at the time. But, thanks to the wisdom of one man, the nuclear agenda was averted.

 

Emperor Hirohito, a quiet man with a love for haiku and marine biology, was in command of The Rising Sun Hegemony. He presented an outward appearance of a peace-loving man. True, he was behind the atrocities suffered by China. But when the inevitability of his country's situation in August 1945 became apparent he weighed the options as a chess player would. Hirohito chose to immediately accept America's call for unconditional surrender. After doing so he quietly used his remaining eight million soldiers to reinforce the Imperial situation in China, especially near Manchuria where Chinese revolutionists were making headway against the imperial occupation.

 

Accepting MacArthur's implicit bargain -- help me and I'll keep you from being tried as a war criminal -- Hirohito did his part to remake The Rising Sun Hegemony along an American model, backing the new constitution, "renouncing" his divinity, and trying gamely to play the part of "Japan's first democrat." By the time his 62-year reign came to an end, Tokyo had become the governmental center of The Rising Sun Hegemony and had become one of the world's richest cities. It was in demonstrating this remarkable capacity for change that Hirohito "The Crane" truly became the living symbol of his people.

 

Today The Rising Sun Hegemony is a world leader boasting a prospering population three times that of the USA. Relations between the Britain Empire, the United Societies of America and the Rising Sun Hegemony remain good.

 

China, however, remains dire straits. Though China survived its invasion and The Rising Sun Hegemony no longer strives for complete domination of the entire eastern world they were left with very little to work with. Communism emerged in China as the only means for survival. In reaction to The Rising Sun Hegemony 's growing power a strong bond was formed between China and the Soviet block. That relationship saved China from entire obliteration and has caused much tension in the east.

[Metaphysician]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Interesting that in all of these alternate WWII threads' date=' no one ever figures on Fascist Italy winning the war. Hmmm. . .[/quote']

 

Probably because it would take a literal miracle that would make the "Japan is the sole manifester of city-crushing superhumans" scenario seem downright realistic.

[Lord Liaden]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Hey, it's the Champions forum.

 

And the idea is to have JAPAN win, but Germany and Italy still go down the tubes?

 

Have history run its course up into summer 1945. Italy and Germany crushed.

 

US drops A-bombs, but has unintended consequence, as many of the survivors develop superpowers, the first to do so. Drafted and thirsting for revenge for the destruction of their homes and families, the thousands of Japanese supers quickly reverse allied gains in the Pacific. Whether the Allies make peace with them or are overrun altogether likely depends on the power level of the supers involved.

 

(As I'm typing this, see that MMD writing similar thing...)

 

To me this is the most logical and deliciously ironic development, within the conventions of a supers universe, to get the result you're looking for.

[FenrisUlf]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

I'm reminded of the film "Furankenshutain tai chitei kaijû Baragon"

from 1965 (aka "Frankenstein Conquers the World")....In which the

still beating heart of Frankensteins monster is shipped during the war

from Germany to Japan for research purposes at a laboratory in (wait

for it...) Hiroshima. So the monsters heart (which has the power of

regeneration which is why it is able to keep beating outside a human

host (Hey !!! I didn't write the darn thing ! ) ) is exposed

to the powers of gamma rays and such and regenerates a full body,

first human sized then gigantic.....

 

A romp in "crossover Kaiju-land" !!

 

-Carl-

 

I saw that film and its sequel, "War of the Gargantuas", in which good, brown-haired kaiju Frankenstein battles it out with evil, green-haired kaiju Frankenstein, who eats people. (In one memorable scene, he picks up a woman in the palm of his hand, stuffs her into his mouth, and then spits her ripped dress out a second later.)

 

Those movies were insanely weird.

[assault]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Probably because it would take a literal miracle that would make the "Japan is the sole manifester of city-crushing superhumans" scenario seem downright realistic.

 

You're forgetting their alliance with Romeworld.

[Spence]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

What if World War 2 ended differently, with Japan winning while Italy and Germany lost.

 

In both history and culture, how would the world differ?

 

Heh

 

Gotta love it.

 

Seriously. I am working on smoothing out an alternative world with WW1 ending with Central Powers not losing decisively and with the German Empire existing in 1935 as well as a unified Chinese Empire. The Japanese Empire is expanded and a close US/British ally in counterbalance.

 

I find it highly amusing that people who are perfectly alright with rubber science, magic and guys flying around in spandex just seem to loose it with rubber history.

 

 

And yes this is a joking post not to be taken as a challenge for a flamewar. I've used up all of my asbestos underwear for the year

 

 

About the idea. I think it is great and look forward to reading more about it. Rubber history rocks!!

[MilkmanDan]

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Rubber science is easier to handwave in because there's no real background--you know nobody can fly and there's nothing to argue from. People just fly. Rubber history, though, has a background to work through, and history only exists in its context. In other words, to make rubber history, you need to make rubber history make some sense. The usual goal in gaming is to create some kind of new world to explore, right? Typically, you'd want that world to make some sense.

 

Also, while we're at it, Hitler couldn't have beaten Britain, because Sealion never could have worked. So there.

[megaplayboy]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Rubber science is easier to handwave in because there's no real background--you know nobody can fly and there's nothing to argue from. People just fly. Rubber history, though, has a background to work through, and history only exists in its context. In other words, to make rubber history, you need to make rubber history make some sense. The usual goal in gaming is to create some kind of new world to explore, right? Typically, you'd want that world to make some sense.

 

Also, while we're at it, Hitler couldn't have beaten Britain, because Sealion never could have worked. So there.

 

Well, maybe if they had actually won the Battle of Britain, and had a Z-plan sized fleet...

[st barbara]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Here's a possible scenario for a Japanese victory. The U S Pacific fleet is totally annihalated at Pearl Harbour. The Japanese have the time to conquer the Pacific and Asia while the U S is rebuilding. The U S research into the Atomic Bomb is a total failure while Japanese research into biological warfare (they were doing this in China) succeeds spectacularly. The Japanese then stage a biological strike on the U S Pacific coast with a particularly virulant series of plagues while the U S forests are devestated (and manpower is tied up) when thier incendiary balloon attacks on U S forests succeed as well. Their attack on the Panama Canal proceeds as planned and is a total success, cutting off the easy U S access to the Pacific. A change of U S government brings in a president who sues for peace, leaving Japan as master of Asia and the Pacific and the U S isolated.

[assault]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Also' date=' while we're at it, Hitler couldn't have beaten Britain, because Sealion never could have worked. So there.[/quote']

 

Hmm... I realise you're not serious, but I'll accept the challenge.

 

If Germany could have gained air superiority, they might have been able to hose the British fleet, giving them naval superiority in the Channel. That, in turn, might have made it possible for them to have landed enough troops to overrun Britain. In 1940, the British army was laughably under-equipped, mostly poorly trained, and not particularly mobile. Most of their equipment and many of their best troops had been lost. A lot of what they did still have was in distant places, like India and Malaya.

 

Potentially they might have been able to bog the Germans down into a series of sieges, combined with guerrilla warfare. Unless they could hold onto some major ports they would have eventually lost the conventional war, and ultimately have had to come to terms.

 

There was a reason why the air war in 1940 was called the Battle of Britain.

[Spence]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Rubber science is easier to handwave in because there's no real background--you know nobody can fly and there's nothing to argue from. People just fly. Rubber history, though, has a background to work through, and history only exists in its context. In other words, to make rubber history, you need to make rubber history make some sense. The usual goal in gaming is to create some kind of new world to explore, right? Typically, you'd want that world to make some sense.

 

Exactly, which is why for rubber history the general rule is to lay out the destination and then try to come-up with a semi-plausible timeline to support it. Instead of all the automatic nay saying. a few constructive suggestions are more helpful.

 

There are a lot of smart people here. Smarter in history than I am for sure. I am sure they could generate a time line that would work.

 

Heck, It's been a long time since I really read up on WW2 so many of my "facts" are from old memory and probably shaky. But for this I don't need accurate, just plausible.

 

So...

 

The Pacific War in WW2 could have been very different on pure luck. Winning for the Japanese doesn't have to mean that they invade US and conquer it. For Japan in WW2 to survive intact as a power would be victory.

 

The US victory Midway was very very lucky and it could easily have been the US that lost. The complete loss of US carriers would have changed the shape of US Naval policy. Everyone usually says it was the success of the the Japanese carrier strike at Pearl Harbor that nudged the shift of the US from a battleship Navy to a Carrier Navy. But I think the real truth is it was the Japanese success plus the exceptional success of the US carriers in holding the line. Even after Pearl and the obvious successes of the Carrier there were still strong entrenched forces in the US government that were positive that the way to victory was the big gun ship. Only the undeniable fact of carrier victories allowed the "new progressive" line of thought carry over the "institutional tried and true" line of thought.

 

The loss of all the US Carriers and the Japanese losing none plus a US decision to stay with build conventional surface units instead of developing more and better carriers could have really changed the outcome. With a strong intact and victorious fleet, the lack of immediate pressure from the US it is possible Japan could have consolidated some of their gains. The US strategy of island hopping would have been much slower and costly if they were using only surface combatants against a full strength Imperial Navy with an experienced and intact carrier force. In fact in might have failed. With the failure at Midway and the loss of all the carriers would Guadalcanal have been attempted just two months after Midway?

 

Add a third item. The Atomic Bomb development is delayed by say 5 years.

 

Suddenly the possibility of Japan surviving WW2 intact isn't really too far fetched.

 

Really add some icing to the rubber history. If I remember right there was real concern that the D-Day landing would have to be aborted because of a storm that had been building. What if the feared happened and it hit? What if the US found itself at a major disadvantage in the Pacific and suffered a massive lose of troops and equipment with an aborted D-Day landing. Or worse it hits in the middle of the actual landing. Without reinforcements and supplies, all of the advanced units would have been chopped up piecemeal if the German army had had a day or two to respond. How many troops drown and equipment is lost if the landing forces was suddenly engulfed in a major storm?

 

If all that happened it is very plausible that Japan could have come out with territory and a treaty.

 

Yes history can be rubber and plausible. Just a handful of items where the "luck" was different and the entire face of the war is changed.

 

I'm just saying

[alexraccoon]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

Two things that could have helped the Japanese side are that 1) they realise before Midway that their codes are comprimised by the Americans and they use that fact to draw the pacific fleet and especially the carriers into a trap.

 

2) They capture an American code talker alive and manage to turn him.

[casualplayer]

Re: What if: Japan won World War 2?

 

You're forgetting their alliance with Romeworld.

 

Maybe that's how it goes. Japan doesn't get atomic technology; they achieve dimensional technology and forge an alliance between multiple Japans. Maybe they recruit Istvatha V'Han into the Axis?