Pattern Ghost Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I vote eliminated. No Knocks are a disaster waiting to happen regardless of any supposed "accountability," and that much assumes they actually make sure they're raiding the right house; most of these numbskulls can't even be bothered with that. Well, my idea of accountability is . . . rather extreme. Abolition is more likely. gewing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well, my idea of accountability is . . . rather extreme. Abolition is more likely. seems to me that they are like wiretaps. Originally for very limited cases, now used routinely. Like the guy up thread where they got a no knock warrant for a WELFARE CHECK! though I do wonder if there was more going on. My initial thought was that the cop(s) had a personal beef with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ragitsu Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felony/19144-paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felonyJust when i think i'm too burned out to continue caring, fecal matter of this nature lands squarely at my feet and splashes up to hit me in the face. gewing and 薔薇語 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felony/19144-paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felony Just when i think i'm too burned out to continue caring, fecal matter of this nature lands squarely at my feet and splashes up to hit me in the face. Given that some officers seem to consider asking you what they're being charged with to be 'resisting', I am not thrilled to hear of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 If the law enforcement agencies in this country were trying to kill what little good will there was left between them and the public...well congratulations, mission f@$%ing accomplished! gewing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vurbal Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 The FBI is certainly doing their part to help the locals alienate the public. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150211/08044329986/fbi-says-all-public-records-requests-stingray-documents-must-be-routed-through-it.shtml gewing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 If the law enforcement agencies in this country were trying to kill what little good will there was left between them and the public...well congratulations, mission f@$%ing accomplished! Oh, for a lot of folks the idea of making 'resisting an arrest' a felony will slide by just fine. That's because they mistakenly believe resisting arrest means some 6foot plus behemoth of a man with tattoos or gang markings threw a punch at a cop when the cuffs were applied. They don't know that the same label can be applied to someone, just like them, asking the police to please clarify charges, or pointing out that they're merely engaged in 1st Amendment activity. The average joe doesn't know that 'resisting arrest' ranks up in the top 5 for 'trumped up charges'. A lot of folks will believe the police in real life are just like the ones on most of the prime time tv shows. White hat vs black hat, good vs evil, that's just how we like it: Thought invites complexity, and that means more thought is required. So many want to keep it simple, even if simple isn't true. FrankL, Ragitsu and gewing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I believe there's at least one country where a citizen isn't charged (or charged nearly as aggressively) merely for resisting arrest. Huh. I wish I knew what it was off-hand. Oh, for a lot of folks the idea of making 'resisting an arrest' a felony will slide by just fine. That's because they mistakenly believe resisting arrest means some 6foot plus behemoth of a man with tattoos or gang markings threw a punch at a cop when the cuffs were applied. You just captured the average citizen's "it wouldn't happen to me" mentality in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felony/19144-paramilitary-force-alert-nypd-commissioner-bratton-supports-making-resisting-arrest-a-felony Just when i think i'm too burned out to continue caring, fecal matter of this nature lands squarely at my feet and splashes up to hit me in the face. More and more reasons for me to NOT be interested in ever visiting the Big Apple. My wife hates crowds anyway, so probably not ever gonna happen, but... Yeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 The FBI is certainly doing their part to help the locals alienate the public. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150211/08044329986/fbi-says-all-public-records-requests-stingray-documents-must-be-routed-through-it.shtml A former co-worker was a longtime friend of the Marshal who admitted to him they lied their asses off to get the FBI HRT involved in the Ruby Ridge incident. The former Co-worker, a retired state trooper, felt the destruction of the liars career was more punishment than he deserved. He should have been in federal prison, in general population. His lies got two people, one a KID, killed. edit: given this background, the involvement of the Marshal's service does not, sadly, surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 What, no one's posted about the Pasco shooting yet? I know it's hard to keep up with the pace of police violence here, but let's get with it, people. Warning: Snuff video in article. http://heavy.com/news/2015/02/pasco-washington-police-shooting-rock-throw-youtube-video/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Oh, for a lot of folks the idea of making 'resisting an arrest' a felony will slide by just fine. That's because they mistakenly believe resisting arrest means some 6foot plus behemoth of a man with tattoos or gang markings threw a punch at a cop when the cuffs were applied. They don't know that the same label can be applied to someone, just like them, asking the police to please clarify charges, or pointing out that they're merely engaged in 1st Amendment activity. The average joe doesn't know that 'resisting arrest' ranks up in the top 5 for 'trumped up charges'. A lot of folks will believe the police in real life are just like the ones on most of the prime time tv shows. White hat vs black hat, good vs evil, that's just how we like it: Thought invites complexity, and that means more thought is required. So many want to keep it simple, even if simple isn't true. Frankly, I'm shocked that people that dumb don't drown in the shower or die in ball polisher accidents at the bowling alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vurbal Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I support Resisting Arrest becoming a felony. The question is who's going to arrest all those cops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankL Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 More and more reasons for me to NOT be interested in ever visiting the Big Apple. My wife hates crowds anyway, so probably not ever gonna happen, but... Yeesh. About the only thing I remember from my one-and-only visit to the Big Apple (spring 1997) is a really good BBQ joint named Virgils. That and the tour guide lecturing us on how easy it was to pick pockets, even those you think are unpickable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I've been to NYC once, when I was 6, staying in a hotel before boarding the troopship that took us to Germany in December 1962. Not sure I need to go there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Why not? Germany has good beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I've been to NYC once, when I was 6, staying in a hotel before boarding the troopship that took us to Germany in December 1962. Not sure I need to go there again.Nobody needs to go to NYC, but it does have: Forbidden Planet Comics The Compleat Strategist tabletop game store(unbeatable selection) Brooklyn Superhero Supply The Strand used book store and tons of niche retail establishments, along with a bunch of awesome restaurants. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Too bad it's so bloody pricy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Happened upon this on YouTube, thought this might be a good place for it: Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 What, no one's posted about the Pasco shooting yet? I know it's hard to keep up with the pace of police violence here, but let's get with it, people. Warning: Snuff video in article. http://heavy.com/news/2015/02/pasco-washington-police-shooting-rock-throw-youtube-video/ Rocks can be deadly, but after watching that I just have to say those police were a bunch of *******, and that looked completely unnecessary. They skipped quite a few levels of force there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Happened upon this on YouTube, thought this might be a good place for it: Excellent video, Pattern Ghost. I thank you for posting it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 As a rule, I avoid contact with the police whenever possible; and frankly, having to show them "respect" disgusts me. I'll fake it just to avoid trouble, but even then I'll immediately have to go somewhere and wash the taste of bile out of my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vurbal Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 While we're looking at videos, here's a very recent one which speaks directly to the issue of resisting arrest. And another on the subject of dealing with police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc 薔薇語 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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