Starlord Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 It seems to me those voting purely for a Democratic agenda weren't going anywhere anyway. Hiring DWS further angers Sanders voters who were waffling between Hillary and Trump - who some view as a candidate of change. Why wouldn't you promise her something when you're President? *facepalm* 薔薇語 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnStrawberry Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Strangely, Sanders himself didn't seem offended by the wiki leak. He practically shrugged and said 'this doesn't surprise me at all'. The DNC is supposed to impartially run the primary, and here they are figuring out ways to tear Bernie down, his faith (or alleged lack of faith) as one possible cheap shot, in what looks like a highly coordinated fashion. And this is possibly the tip of a very large iceberg; this is going to be an interesting convention (if any can be said to be interesting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Trump got the usual bump out of his convention and leads by a few points now. His support, if you drill down, consists largely of non-college-educated white voters, with a substantial gender gap between men and women in that group. Clinton actually has a small lead with college-educated white voters, which Democrats haven't won since the 1960s. She has an enormous lead with non-white voters. So we have an electorate polarized by gender, education and race. It sounds like Trump has pretty much run up the score with that core group, and doesn't have more room to grow there. Clinton still has room to improve with college educated whites, white women and Latinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Strangely, Sanders himself didn't seem offended by the wiki leak. He practically shrugged and said 'this doesn't surprise me at all'. The DNC is supposed to impartially run the primary, and here they are figuring out ways to tear Bernie down, his faith (or alleged lack of faith) as one possible cheap shot, in what looks like a highly coordinated fashion. And this is possibly the tip of a very large iceberg; this is going to be an interesting convention (if any can be said to be interesting). It doesn't seem strange to me. Bernie has pretty much said all this time that the DNC was in Hillary's camp, and that certain members of it were violating their duties in abandoning neutrality. He was dismissed by many in the party and in the press as delusional or making it up but the truth is now out. Naturally Bernie's not surprised... and I think if he was offended before, it's old news to him. And Hillary is about to rely on him a lot if she's smart, because frankly, I think a good chunk (A third or more I'd guess) of Bernie's supporters are tempted to sit this one out at this stage and he's the only one who can really sway them on the "We can't let trump win period" angle that they'll respect. But I'm not sure Hillary will see it that way. Not because she's dumb, she's not... but because she's acting (In my view) overconfident, and assuming that anyone afraid of Trump has no where else to go. That maybe , for practicality sake, true.... but people aren't always practical, and it may yet bite her in the ass. Trump can win this thing thanks to the power of angry progressives too disillusioned to get out and vote. I pray it doesn't come to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnStrawberry Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Well, I was offended by the religion thing - so cynical and manipulative - but that's politics in the USA of today. Trump, for all his many flaws, appears to be the legitimate candidate of his party in terms of votes and process. More and more folks are wondering if the same can be said of HRC. On other forums I've seen Sanders supporters say a one-term disastrous Trump presidency would be in our overall interest, since after the crash and burn it would lead to a reformist Congress and true progressive policies. 8 years of corporate neoliberalism wouldn't. I'm not saying I agree with that viewpoint, but I sense an element of voter despair I can't remember seeing before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Well, I was offended by the religion thing - so cynical and manipulative - but that's politics in the USA of today. Trump, for all his many flaws, appears to be the legitimate candidate of his party in terms of votes and process. More and more folks are wondering if the same can be said of HRC. On other forums I've seen Sanders supporters say a one-term disastrous Trump presidency would be in our overall interest, since after the crash and burn it would lead to a reformist Congress and true progressive policies. 8 years of corporate neoliberalism wouldn't. I'm not saying I agree with that viewpoint, but I sense an element of voter despair I can't remember seeing before. I think that attitude is frankly insane. The people likely to be most badly hurt by a Trump presidency also happen to be the most reliable Democratic voters. Why cheerlead for their suffering? Also it assumes that things would progress in a direction that would be ultimately favorable to progressive interests, which isn't necessarily the case. Shadow Hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Given that they let him run as a Democrat, yeah. More or less. "Let" him? They had no way to stop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 DWS booed by her own constituents ahead of convention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 On other forums I've seen Sanders supporters say a one-term disastrous Trump presidency... Dangerous thinking, that. With the state of the USA today, if Trump won the Big Chair, he could point at all sorts of economic successes at least, 5 years down the line, just from the inertia built up to get the economy performing at its current state. Personally, I'm starting to wonder whether that's Trump's plan: get in, do nothing, ...?, Profit! I still think that the "disgust" reflex is strong enough on average to overcome the general monkey-brain manipulation tricks Ol' rug-head is pulling. At least I hope so. Trencher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Well, with the Supreme Court being likely to be shifting even more in the next four years.... yeah, whoever has the big chair can do some permanent change, for good or ill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 It would seem that Rep Schultz was booed while trying to give a speech. . It was two minutes of cringe before she left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4qlPkJ9puYIt would also seem that Senator Sanders was also booed heavily the moment he tried to endorse Sec. Clinton. I really do see a significant number of his constituency either not voting for / voting against Sec. Clinton. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Yup. The thing is, the DNC has finally apologized for its "inappropriate language" In its emails...not for the scheming and bias. I'm sensing a vast disconnect between the DNC and many progressives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Here is a small ReasonTV article about a protest against the DNC. "No Hillary," said another woman. "Never Hillary. She is the 1 percent and also she is a warmonger." Perhaps some of the vilification the Democrats have done of the wealthy and more militarily adventurous politicians is coming back to bite them in the rear when their candidate is a member of the militarily adventurous 1 percent. Soar. Pattern Ghost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Conspiracy theory Bernie's planning a secret takeover! Conspiracy theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Whatever else you might call this presidential campaign, it certainly can't include, "dull." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 WTF? I clicked on that and got the scene from HBO's Game of Thrones for the Red Wedding Just kidding Nolgroth and Mister E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 It would seem a group of Senator Sanders supporters are passing around petition to DNC delegates to get them to switch votes for Senator Sanders. http://switchtobernie.com/ The list of grievances / reasons to switch they state are: Delegates:[/size] A lot of has happened since you were elected or pledged to Hillary Clinton, including but not limited to the FBI investigation conclusion and the DNC email leaks. You have the right to take these, and other events, under consideration when voting for the nomination. You have the right to conduct a conscience vote and vote for the honorable candidate who played by the rules. A vote for Bernie Sanders shows you do not approve of these tactics by the DNC. WHY SWITCH? The recent DNC email leaks from Wikileaks has shown that the DNC actively tried to work against the Sanders campaign. It is clear the DNC Chair and DNC staff did not remain neutral throughout the primary process as they should according to Party Rules, which leads to the conclusion that Bernie Sanders more than likely would have earned more delegates to the convention. The process has been rigged against Bernie Sanders, in favor of Hillary Clinton. This is simply not acceptable. The conclusion of the FBI investigation into Hillary's emails showed that Hillary Clinton was "extremely careless in %5Bher%5D handling of very sensitive, highly classified information". These findings will be forever detrimental to any claim of national security experience by Hillary Clinton. It in fact shows that she has poor judgement, which would be a bad quality for the President of the United States. FBI Director James Comey hinted in his congressional hearing that the Clinton Foundation may be under investigation. The Clinton Foundation is now a liability, more than it was before, and a negative conclusion to such an investigation during a general election campaign could hand the Presidency to Donald Trump. If it weren’t for Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton would be the least liked Presidential candidate in the last 10 election cycles, and her favorability rate continues to fall "Most voters who would back Mr. Trump or Mrs. Clinton say their vote is meant less to support their candidate than to oppose the other one. There is no precedent for this in recent decades.". The people will not be voting for Hillary, they’ll be voting against Trump. This is not a sign of a strong candidate. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders inspires people, he raised over $200 million from people with an average contribution of $27 and brought out hundreds of thousands of people out to see him speak. He brings an energy and invigoration to the Democratic Party that Hillary simply cannot. This is the sign of a strong candidate. Hillary and Trump are very close in the polls and the Republicans haven’t begun spending on advertising yet. Brexit has shown that the sweeping nationalism and fear mongering shouldn’t be underestimated and the polls could be closer than we are seeing. Don’t risk this election! Nearly Half of Sanders Supporters Won’t Support Clinton Nominating Sanders will secure a new generation of young, politically active people for the Democratic Party. Hillary may gain #NeverTrump supporters, however those people will vote Republican for Congressional and Senate races. Bernie Sanders would bring out voters who will vote Democrat down ballot. Polls show without exception that Sanders beats Trump more than Hillary. " Bernie Sanders polls extraordinarily well among independent voters and new voters. In fact, he’s the only candidate this year who polls consistently stronger among independents than Donald Trump", which is particularly important as Independents are now the largest political affiliation group. Hillary has still not released her Wall Street speeches, speeches from which she made $21,667,000. Wall Street doesn't spend money for fun, they're in the business of making investments and they expect returns from their investments. A savy Trump or Anti-Sec.Hillary campaigner would just make a few targeted adds citing this level of disagreement in the Democratic party. Even if it doesn't pull people to Trump, it is likely to drain people from Sec. Clinton. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 They are beyond delusional if they think 1) this will actually work to change the nominee; 2) nominating Sanders under these circumstances would be auspicious for his campaign and cause. They are full on "nutter". 薔薇語 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 As he's already conceded, I'm sure even if he were drafted into nomination much of the DNC would declare it null and void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 They are beyond delusional if they think 1) this will actually work to change the nominee; 2) nominating Sanders under these circumstances would be auspicious for his campaign and cause. They are full on "nutter". Indeed. Such was essentially my point to my Senator Sanders supporter friend on FB. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Ok, Al Franken was funny. "At Trump University you'll learn from success experts like Scott Baio" Shadow Hawk and gewing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Ok, Al Franken was funny. "At Trump University you'll learn from success experts like Scott Baio" Yeah, the man's got gift for gaff and humor may build bridges better than other avenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Aww. Paul Simon is thoroughly embarrassing himself. This is so uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Booker doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Whatever else you might call this presidential campaign, it certainly can't include, "dull." "But why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe, or--" "Because it's dull, you twit, it'll hurt more!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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