megaplayboy Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Interesting syllogism from "Brain Surgeon" Ben Carson: Hillary Clinton admired Saul Alinsky Saul Alinsky referred to Lucifer as the "original rebel" Ergo, Hillary Clinton worships Satan. I'd say he should dial it back, but I'm pretty sure the control panel exploded already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Lex Luthor spent $70 million of his own money on a fake Presidential campaign just to tick Superman off. So it's not without precedent. Once again, I wish comic books were real. I want Lex Luthor for President Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 No matter how many gaffs Trump or his campaign team make, nothing seems to phase his supporters. This defies all conventional wisdom about modern election campaigns. It really is boggling to watch. The only thing I can actually think of even remotely similar was Bill Clinton. Whenever a woman came out, accusing him of molesting her, his approval rating jumped 10 points. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 NY Times Article On Melania Trump's Speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wonder how much of this is meant as punishment to the status quo as anything else. There is , imo, a large chunk of socially conservative, lower middle class and upper lower class America that feels snubbed, ignored, and taken for granted (And I think they're right about that, oddly enough). For decades, they've seen what career politicians do or don't do for them.... but they've seen it through the lens of dueling propagandas where each side of the status quo tarnishes the other. Should they have fallen for the gloom colored glasses? Well, I'm not sure it's fair to bash them for it when a lot of money has been spent to make sure they did. So... assuming they feel that the democrats aren't going to help them (And indeed are part of the problem from their take), and third parties have no power... well, the only thing to do is take over the GOP ship! And they're going to lash the old standard politicians to the proverbial yard arm and trust in this new captain no matter how mad he seems because at least he's new, he's not one of those who have failed them again and again and again... and if they end up going down into the maelstrom, so be it! At least its different, and maybe when the ship is rebuilt, the survivors will build the next one that is meant for the whole crew, not just the elites... So fly the flag of Cap'n Trump and damn the consequences! Glorious doom is better than even one more decade of being ignored But that's just a guess, and I maybe doing folks on all sides a disservice. Well, since I fall into that group, that is actually more or less true. I didn't fall for it myself. I know some though that are desperate enough to, however. One reason I am sitting it all out in November. I just absolutely refuse to vote for "a lesser evil" when I personally cant stand either of them to the degree I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Agreed. But really, a non millionaire run for President? I think that's against our constitution here or something You mean we still have one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Non millionaires? No, everyone is rich now. Can't you tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Non millionaires? No, everyone is rich now. Can't you tell? Heh, I meant the Constitution. *badger bangs head against his burrow's wall, causes cave-in* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 So now it's official. A reality show star, a guy with zero political leadership experience, a guy whose greatest talent in business is apparently the ability to turn a substantial fortune into a modest fortune, is now a major Party nominee for the Presidency of the United States. Splendid. 薔薇語 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The Daily Trump's response to plagiarism critics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6pDCvXNVTE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Yeah...problem with that: Obama stated (and Patrick verified) that they had shared the quotes prior to Patrick's speech -- i.e. Obama had shared the quotes with Patrick and they both used it. That's not plagiarism. You'd be better referencing Biden during his presidential bid...and he dropped out of the race because of it. Shadow Hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 It would also help to look at the responses at the time. This would have blown over almost immediately for Trump if he/his campaign had simply issued a mea culpa and moved on. Their continual denial and mental gymnastics on the matter are just making it continue to be a thing long past the point that it needs to be (and yes, we've seen that in the past on the Democratic side -- Clinton and Lewinski) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Wow, you responded so fast, I didn't have time to add my link. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/07/19/melania-trump-obama-patrick/ Simon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The world's reaction to the news: Though to be fair I'm pretty sure I'll get mileage out of that picture no matter who wins the general election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Governor Gary Johnson and Gov. Weld are now at 13 percent in a CNN poll. Cracked the teens! They are at 11% in an NBC poll and 10% in a CBS poll. Perhaps Trump and his supporters can put their foot far enough in their mouths to gin up a few more percent. Perhaps Secretary Clinton can have a yet another scandal appear leading into the convention to drive a couple more percent. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 He's got a chance to get to 15%. Stein looks like she has zero chance of that. Her ceiling is maybe 6%. The interesting question is who Johnson takes more support from. At the moment, it looks like he takes slightly more votes from Trump than from Clinton. Or, to be clearer, he takes more support from people who might otherwise have supported the R nominee than the D nominee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Perhaps. That is most certainly the traditional message on these things. And perhaps that explains why Dr. Stein only has a limited following (she is unlikely to be swaying any traditional conservative voters). But there has been a variety of folks discussing this issue. Here is a 538 article. In essence, when third party candidates are included, the lead that Sec. Clinton has decreases. Also, disaffected Senator Sanders supporters are more inclined to vote for third party candidates when they are included in polls. This seems to imply that the traditional narrative of "upset Republican" is not accurate this time around. So, it would seem that Gov. Johnson is pulling equally from both or possibly more greatly from Secretary Clinton. On the spectrum of "traditional left" values, being Anti-war (war in the middle east and war on drugs) are two major stances that Gov. Johnson embraces that Sec. Clinton doesn't / only if strongly poll tested. The typical "but Libertarians want scorched earth environmental policies" cry is deflected by Johnson's more liberal policies in that arena. And trigger issues like Abortion put Gov. Johnson more in the Liberal camp than the Conservative camp.Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 This may have been posted already, but given the turn the discussion has taken, I believe it is relevant-- Dan Savage On Jill Stein--but it could apply to any third party as well. Shadow Hawk and Doc Shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I have only encountered Dan Savage a limited number of times. He generally seemed like a lovely gent. I think maybe he was having a bad day when he had that rant. I can't speak for the Green Party but I can speak for the Libertarian party of a bit when it comes to claims about 'building from the ground up and not just running a Presidential candidate every four years'. The Libertarian party is in all 50 states. We run candidates in most every federal and state election. I have been a Libertarian sitting on local county commissions (a voluntary board that submits recommendations to elected folks). The Libertarian party is perhaps more active in national, state, and local politics than a lot of folks realize. I think Savage also vastly over calculates potential downsides. And I think that is part of why people tune out some of the rhetoric or run towards the target of that hate. "What? You think Trump / Sec. Clinton is the next Hitler?! Well, I guess I have no choice but to be a Nazi to prove your dumb-ass wrong!"Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Ted Cruz may have just moved a half million people into Gary Johnson's column. gewing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Ted Cruz may have just moved a half million people into Gary Johnson's column. Ok. I admit to being stunned by that. And Pence used the word "unified" right after that? Well, someone has chutzpah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 What did Senator Cruz say? Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Okay. I found an article about it at Reason While that might help, I don't think it will really boost Gov. Johnson's numbers. The overlap between Senator Cruz and Gov. Johnson would seem to be very small. Perhaps they might do it as a protest, though. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Just a funny meme for Gov. Gary Johnson and Gov. Weld. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 The world's reaction to the news: Though to be fair I'm pretty sure I'll get mileage out of that picture no matter who wins the general election. I'd vote for Galvatron, for 2016........even the post-movie lunatic one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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