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Duke Bushido Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 Same river; different bits of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Liaden Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) Roads don't flow. 27 minutes ago, Duke Bushido said: Same river; different bits of water. If what makes it up is different, can it actually be said to be the same river? The bed is the same; the banks are the same. But the water is what makes a river, a river. Edited July 17, 2023 by Lord Liaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 The water he dipped in the second time was ten feet upstream when he dipped the first time. Same water; he was touching different bits of it. Same water, same river. Two days later? A philosophy argument can take place. For the scenario cartoon depicted? Same river. The best argument is different bits of water were fondled the second time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 Famous quotes by Heraclitus ποταμοῖσι τοῖσιν αὐτοῖσιν ἐμϐαίνουσιν, ἕτερα καὶ ἕτερα ὕδατα ἐπιρρεῖ.- Ever-newer waters flow on those who step into the same rivers. (Fragment 12) δὶς ἐς τὸν αὐτὸν ποταμὸν οὐκ ἂν ἐμβαίης. - You could not step twice into the same river. As quoted in Plato, Cratylus, 402a ποταμῷ γὰρ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐμβῆναι δὶς τῷ αὐτῷ - You cannot step twice into the same river. Fragment 91. Plutarch, On the EI at Delphi πάντα χωρεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει - Everything changes and nothing stands still. As quoted by Plato in Cratylus, 402a Πάντα ῥεῖ - Everything flows. ὁδὸς ἄνω κάτω μία καὶ ὡυτή - The road up and the road down is one and the same. Fragment 60 (and for my Canadian friend, from an Aussie, paraphrasing Heraclitus: you can’t step (or fall) into the same Venetian road, twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: The water he dipped in the second time was ten feet upstream when he dipped the first time. Same water; he was touching different bits of it. Same water, same river. Two days later? A philosophy argument can take place. For the scenario cartoon depicted? Same river. The best argument is different bits of water were fondled the second time. That's not the philosophy behind the quotation. Heraclitus held that existence is ever-changing over time, always "becoming" but never "being." A river is just the simplest illustration of that concept. And although I could, it wouldn't be worth splitting any more hairs over this. 1 hour ago, Bazza said: (and for my Canadian friend, from an Aussie, paraphrasing Heraclitus: you can’t step (or fall) into the same Venetian road, twice. Um, thanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 "Change is inevitable ... except from a vending machine." Ockham's Spoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 There is an “outside”? slikmar and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Man Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Bazza said: There is an “outside”? It’s where you keep the dropbears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Duke Bushido Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/16/2023 at 6:05 AM, Starlord said: You know, once you see the hidden Jar Jar Binks in that photo, it is impossible to not see it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 11 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: That's not the philosophy behind the quotation. Heraclitus held that existence is ever-changing over time, always "becoming" but never "being." A river is just the simplest illustration of that concept. Oh, no; I am quite familar with the idea. U merely posit that at the moment of interaction, all things interacting must "be," and that there was not time enough between foot dunking for either od the participants to have experienced anything that would induce change beyond ten feet of movement of water. Just because he was an ancient toga wearing sort who's thoughts got recorded doesn't mean he wasn't wrong now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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