Nolgroth Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Darren Seals a founder of Black Lives Matter out of St Louis was shot and set on fire according to USA Today CES That's horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 That's horrific. The story said passersby saw this car on fire, called police and FD. When the fire was put out, they examined the body and found that the victim had been shot. Then they ID'ed the body. I think the theory is that he was shot first and then set on fire to cover it up. I haven't seen any follow up so I don't know if they tracked the shooter down yet. CES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 A statement by the CPD I heard on the radio flatly said gang members. Mostly reprisals for insults to each other. (Forget how he put it, but juvenile B.S. that normal people don't kill each other over was the gist of it.) He also said that a tiny number of repeat offenders was responsible for the vast majority of shootings in the city. It's the most admissions of this being a social problem directly related to the gang violence in the city that I've seen come out of Chicago. Of course, they'll probably soon call (again) for gun bans in neighboring states, because they seem to be deluded into thinking that if they can control other states' people, that'll somehow solve the problems they have with a small population of their people. It seems the gangs are out of control, and are either protected by the population, or have terrified them. I heard a researcher today talking about a project to learn to translate (Chicago) gang member's social media posts to try to determine what are threats of violence. The NPR reporter asked if there was one young adult's story who he kept in mind as he worked on the project. He named a young woman who was murdered in iirc 2014. as he put it, she was a gang member said to "have up to 20 bodies associated with her before she was 17." He went on about how her social media posts demonstrated the pain of her life, and perhaps if someone had paid attention they could have intervened to ease her pain... Seemed to me that he was very careful in his phrasing to avoid just out and out saying that she was suspected of killing up to 20 people... And this was the person he took inspiration from? A person whose life is horrible and they snap, might kill someone. 20 times??? Sounds like a hardened gang member and murderer to me. I weep for a child, but not a murderous criminal. He seemed to not care about her crimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 It seems the gangs are out of control, and are either protected by the population, or have terrified them. I heard a researcher today talking about a project to learn to translate (Chicago) gang member's social media posts to try to determine what are threats of violence. The NPR reporter asked if there was one young adult's story who he kept in mind as he worked on the project. He named a young woman who was murdered in iirc 2014. as he put it, she was a gang member said to "have up to 20 bodies associated with her before she was 17." He went on about how her social media posts demonstrated the pain of her life, and perhaps if someone had paid attention they could have intervened to ease her pain... Seemed to me that he was very careful in his phrasing to avoid just out and out saying that she was suspected of killing up to 20 people... And this was the person he took inspiration from? A person whose life is horrible and they snap, might kill someone. 20 times??? Sounds like a hardened gang member and murderer to me. I weep for a child, but not a murderous criminal. He seemed to not care about her crimes... I'm guessing that he was saying that she had had 20 people who were in her social group die before she turned 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm guessing that he was saying that she had had 20 people who were in her social group die before she turned 17. not what it sounded like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 It seems the gangs are out of control, and are either protected by the population, or have terrified them. I heard a researcher today talking about a project to learn to translate (Chicago) gang member's social media posts to try to determine what are threats of violence. The NPR reporter asked if there was one young adult's story who he kept in mind as he worked on the project. He named a young woman who was murdered in iirc 2014. as he put it, she was a gang member said to "have up to 20 bodies associated with her before she was 17." He went on about how her social media posts demonstrated the pain of her life, and perhaps if someone had paid attention they could have intervened to ease her pain... Seemed to me that he was very careful in his phrasing to avoid just out and out saying that she was suspected of killing up to 20 people... And this was the person he took inspiration from? A person whose life is horrible and they snap, might kill someone. 20 times??? Sounds like a hardened gang member and murderer to me. I weep for a child, but not a murderous criminal. He seemed to not care about her crimes... I'm guessing that he was saying that she had had 20 people who were in her social group die before she turned 17. From the article: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/09/09/493319076/in-effort-to-curb-violence-in-chicago-a-professor-mines-social-media She was a very well-known gang member on the South Side of Chicago. One of the things that has been said about her is that she was this tough individual that was willing to kill at the drop of a hat, and she allegedly had up to 20 bodies associated with her by the time she was 17 years old. But when we dig deeper into Gakirah's tweets, she was like any other kid. She was experiencing trauma and grief on a day-to-day basis, and she expressed a lot of pain associated with that grief. So this is not to negate the fact that she may have engaged in some very harsh activities, but she was a child. And she had childhood experiences that rocked her to her core. (Including having close friends who were shot or killed.) So when these situations happen she would go to Twitter and say, you know, "The pain is unbearable. People don't understand my pain." What if we understood her pain? What if someone would've saw it and said, "Wow Gakirah, you're going through a lot right now, let's talk about it." So, yeah, sounds very much like she's believed responsible for the deaths. Given the past tense of "What if someone would've saw it" though, I think the writer was surmising that this could have been headed off if someone had intervened early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Given the past tense of "What if someone would've saw it" though, I think the writer was surmising that this could have been headed off if someone had intervened early on. I think this is the main point, as intervention programs have proven to be effective in curbing gang violence. It's more important to change gang members' outlooks than to threaten them with stricter laws or heavier law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 But that would require treating them like human beings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 not what it sounded like... From the article: So, yeah, sounds very much like she's believed responsible for the deaths. Given the past tense of "What if someone would've saw it" though, I think the writer was surmising that this could have been headed off if someone had intervened early on. Holy ****. Sorry, I was just have trouble accepting the idea of a teenage girl with that big of a body count outside of Game of Thrones. Really, if only those evil Lannisters hadn't killed her father Ned and her brother Rob, things could have gone so differently. Here is an obituary of Gakirah Barnes. It's weird. She kind of seems like a real life Dark Champion character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Perhaps this belongs in the other opinions thread, but WT actual F. This thug is being "immortalized on social media and youTube"? Are you kidding me? This is so disgusting that I cannot even find words. Chalk this one up on the "What's wrong with our society" board. I think I am going to step away from this. Nice and slow. gewing and aylwin13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 At least she has good trigger discipline.* *For our non-shooters: This means she's keeping her booger hook off the bang switch in all of the pics. It's considered a good safety practice to keep the finger away from the trigger when not actually firing a gun. Also, that comment was sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Perhaps this belongs in the other opinions thread, but WT actual F. This thug is being "immortalized on social media and youTube"? Are you kidding me? This is so disgusting that I cannot even find words. Chalk this one up on the "What's wrong with our society" board. I think I am going to step away from this. Nice and slow. Nothing new here. A quick peek at Billy the Kid's wiki page shows that he has been a character, and often the title character, in 21 films. He also is the subject of 10 songs, a Broadway play, many poems and other sundry media. Nor is Billy alone in this regard. The very fact that in 2016 we can hear the names Bonnie and Clyde, Jessie James, or John Dillinger and not scratch our head and go "who?" is proof that they all got way more fame than there actions warranted. So if people are immortalizing Gakirah Barnes, it is just part of a long traditions. pinecone and Nolgroth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 So if people are immortalizing Gakirah Barnes, it is just part of a long traditions. Granted. Doesn't make it right. She does not (nor any of the people you mentioned) deserve to be considered some sort of folk hero. They were criminal scum. Ranxerox and gewing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Well, as I understand it, John Dillinger was viewed as a sort of folk hero in his own day. It helped a lot that he greatly preferred not to kill anyone (although he wound up with associates who were trigger-happy later in his career). He also stole only from banks, not ordinary people, and did this during an era when most people would have associated banks mainly with foreclosing on poor farmers and depriving them of their homes and livelihood. In other words, banks were the bad guys (I guess times haven't changed a lot in THAT regard!). Folks saw him as a modern-day Robin Hood who robbed from the rich and . . . well, the important part is that someone was sticking it to the rich. Edit: You know, if someone were to steal a big pile of cash from the Koch Brothers or Rupert Murdoch without hurting anyone, I'd have a hard time coming up with any outrage. Ranxerox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Granted. Doesn't make it right. She does not (nor any of the people you mentioned) deserve to be considered some sort of folk hero. They were criminal scum. Yeah, I'm fine with immortalizing them as villains and even in some cases as sympathetic villains, but the portraying them as misunderstood heroes is messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Granted. Doesn't make it right. She does not (nor any of the people you mentioned) deserve to be considered some sort of folk hero. They were criminal scum.Some freak wrote a ballad about the poacher who murdered two game wardens when they caught him poaching. Iirc. I once heard a request for it ion the radio. I am surprised I did not have a stroke. Nolgroth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 That kind of situation features in several old (medieval?) English folk songs, which evolved over the years to include firearms, barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Poaching off the King's private hunting reserve might not be the same as poaching off lands that are federally managed for the common good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I agree, but there is clearly a long-established cultural pinch-point indicating that there have always been people who think they have a right to shoot whatever they d***well please, including the people deputized to enforce rules contradicting the belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Can I shoot them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I listened to the song last night. It's up on Youtube. The singer left out the bit in the gunfight where the poacher executed the two game wardens by shooting them in the back of their heads with his .22 rifle. Definitely fictionalized and whitewashed events in the murder's favor, so as murder ballads go, fairly biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Ship found in Arctic 168 years after doomed Northwest Passage attempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Ooh, the Terror! I've read about that ship and her doomed crew in the Dan Simmons novel, "The Terror". It's a good book, if awfully grim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Wow. You know we've sunk low as a culture when it takes an online porn company to treat the recently deceased with some sort of respect. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3788000/Former-lover-Alexis-Arquette-sells-sex-tape-featuring-transgender-rights-activist-porn-company-25-000-just-day-passed-away.html Pattern Ghost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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