zslane Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 This movie was probably too far into production to benefit from the lessons learned from Deadpool's success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I really lke the New Mutants as originally conceived but this doesn't look as interesting to me. It might work; a superhero horror film with teens might be a winner. Just not in my niche. Joe Walsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 That trailer makes it look like a conventional horror flick. Is that really what it's supposed to be? Yes, that is the genre for the film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 It's supposed to have Lockheed following Magik around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Is Lockheed even in this movie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yes. Actually, looking at that trailer puts me in mind of Bill Sienkiewicz's art when he was working on the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 I actually like the fact that Hollywood has finally figured out that "superheroes" is a very wide meta-genre that can be used in a wide variety of films/styles, and not all superhero movies have to be the same. Superhero comedy? Awesome. Post-apoc superheroes? Great. Dark Conspiracy Supers? Ok. Horror Supers?...no interest in it personally, but seems like there'd be a market for it. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 It would be nice if Hollywood would get hip to the fact that one meta-genre they can also do is the Superhero Comic Book movie. Deadpool, the only recent example that comes immediately to mind, was regarded as an outrageous experiment that they feared would flop hard, until it scored huge because holy crap! audiences actually like the wacky costumes, the silly code-names, and the wild, unrealistic antics/storytelling after all! Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I'm not sure Deadpool is the best vehicle for conveying that lesson. A lot of those comic-book conventions were played for laughs. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but we've only recently outgrown the conventional wisdom that superhero movies have to be campy to appeal to a wider public. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I actually like the fact that Hollywood has finally figured out that "superheroes" is a very wide meta-genre that can be used in a wide variety of films/style Right, that's why I'm no entirely dismayed by this take. Its not what I think the New Mutants should be, and its not what I'd do with them, but its an interesting take. I get the feel that this is something like Flatliners or Jacob's Ladder with people experiencing their own nightmares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I think that if you tone down the crass humor and blatant fourth wall-breaking in Deadpool you have the foundation for a highly entertaining comic book superhero movie. The lesson was still conveyed, though you have to be able to recognize it as such from the movie we actually got. Of course, I don't believe for a second that Hollywood, as a whole, is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Right, that's why I'm no entirely dismayed by this take. Its not what I think the New Mutants should be, and its not what I'd do with them, but its an interesting take. I get the feel that this is something like Flatliners or Jacob's Ladder with people experiencing their own nightmares. If they're going for the Demon Bear storyline, I think it'd be OK, but as a second or even third installment. Let them establish the characters and the background for it first, instead of let that kind of storyline set the tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 How about doing a She-Hulk movie, circa, I believe late 80s/early 90s where she was a "serious" superheroine, yet broke 4th wall regularly and made fun of comic conventions. apparently it is confirmed to be the Demon Bear saga and that is the major villain. http://www.cbr.com/new-mutants-storyboard-reveals-potential-villain/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 200 days until Infinity War. 9 or 10 days until Thor Ragnarok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Thanos is coming. Hela is nearly here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Looks GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Hm, we'll see I guess. Hard to beleive explorers could be so wrong they missed El Dorado by an entire continent and thousands of miles though, that was a goofball reach. I liked Wakanda better as a very simple, agrarian society with great resources more than a super-futuristic utopia wonderland. But I like Black Panther better as a very skilled fighter who has techniques to make him better instead of... black Iron Man. I did like him in Civil War though. Only part of the movie besides Spider-Man that I liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Yeah, not all attempts to evolve a character to "keep up with the times" are successful. I think Spider-Man is another good example of An Upgrade Too Far... Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 While I understand drawing those parallels, the way the Black Panther fights on screen so far is very different from Iron Man's. The Panther's tech has been "upgraded" over decades in the comics. Likewise how Wakanda has been depicted has evolved. Now while I'm not saying anyone here is looking at it that way, someone reading "agrarian society with great resources" could accuse that of being a stereotypical Western perspective of Africa. One of the reasons the Black Panther mythology resonates so much with many black people, is because Wakanda is the most technologically advanced nation in the world, yet it was never conquered, never colonized by Europeans. Its contemporary society is firmly rooted in its traditional culture, not the wake of white masters. And T'Challa is not just a superhero, he's a king, of a country where that title means a lot. The Black Panther symbolizes the greatness of Africa's past, and its potential greatness in the future. bigdamnhero and Armory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 My guess is that they want to give black kids a hero to look up to that's awesome as Iron Man is awesome, and that's fine. I just think they kind of went a bit overboard with the sci fi wonder city. I mean its hard to justify that existing in the middle of the hell hole that much of Africa is without doing anything about it. One of the reasons the Black Panther mythology resonates so much with many black people, is because Wakanda is the most technologically advanced nation in the world, yet it was never conquered, never colonized by Europeans. I think that's what they're shooting for but if you asked 1000 black people what Wakanda is, 999 would say "who?" not "Oh yes, that story fills me with pride and courage!" Maybe it will once this film comes out but right now, he's just a very minor character in a comic book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Couldn't we have said the same thing about Themiscyra before Wonder Woman's movie? And now I hear from woman after woman that seeing all those strong, magnificent women in their own society fills them with pride and the sense of empowerment. For comic readers it wasn't news, but for the wider movie audience it hit like a revelation. And from the comic-book history perspective, the Black Panther was never a minor character. He was the first black superhero in mainstream American comics, created at a time when that name carried a big political resonance. He's starred in his own comics series repeatedly over the years, as well as an animated television series. His stories have dealt with very mature and controversial issues. Armory and bigdamnhero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Couldn't we have said the same thing about Themiscyra before Wonder Woman's movie? And now I hear from woman after woman that seeing all those strong, magnificent women in their own society fills them with pride and the sense of empowerment. For comic readers it wasn't news, but for the wider movie audience it hit like a revelation. Really? It seems to me the revelation is that Hollywood finally had the (financial and creative) courage to show a female society in that form on screen, not that female viewers are awakening to a feeling of empowerment they never previously imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 All I can suggest is that you look at reviews of WW by women on YouTube. Or to condense and streamline the process, check this out: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I think the incidence of cosplay related to a recent, successful movie always goes way, way up right after the movie lands. The number of little boys who showed up dressed as Iron Man during Halloween 2008 reached unheard of heights. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 I'm guessing you stopped at the preview image for that linked video, and didn't actually watch the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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