Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Of course, to a population of millennials, everything looks shiny and new... Yeah, I wish they'd get off my lawn, too. Hyper-Man and Lawnmower Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Because zslane "requested" it, more secret government-as-villains: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't think many people in this era, at least in the United States, have much difficulty accepting the premise that the American government is malevolent. That's become a cliche across the spectrum of real-world-based fiction. I think when it strains credulity is when the malevolent government is also shown to be competent. Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, like I mentioned right up front, I think it is very well done. Well written, well directed, well acted, etc. But it's a storyline that I feel is played out and doesn't resonate with me anymore, particularly the government-as-villain angle. But that's primarily a function of my age and the fact that I've seen this sort of thing done too many times now. Not too long ago it was used in a much less dark, and more broadly entertaining fashion in the first season of Heroes, and I guess an X-retread, while perhaps inevitable, just doesn't ring the freshness bell the way Fox (probably) thinks it does. Of course, to a population of millennials, everything looks shiny and new... I can see why you might be tired of government-as-villain storylines--it was so successful in the X-titles that it was co-opted by the entire MCU as well as the DCU. Not to mention reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Fans: “Hollywood adaptations of comics need to stay closer to the source material...except for the parts I personally didn’t like!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 It was probably one of the *first* to really feature the idea of evil government so in my mind it's always gotten a pass. I don't mind evil government when it's done well and makes some sort of sense (especially evil from a 'certain point of view'). I mind it when it seems to be the first go to for many writers for any source of dramatic tension in movies or shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 In the real world, the idea that the US government is evil has been largely replaced with the idea that the US government is an incompetent joke with a sitting president who has no business holding the office. Clueless idiocy is not the same as malevolent villainy, though the same misguided foreign and domestic policies can arise from either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yay lets discuss more politics instead of comic books! Its so fun! bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Alas, The Gifted has decided to be all about social/racial politics. You can't exactly take us (me) to task for discussing the conceptual and narrative foundation of the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, yeah I can. Please leave real world politics out of a discussion about comics and Marvel. Please, prove that people can have a discussion about something without someone's political viewpoint in specific about the current administration (whoever it happens to be) being rammed into the conversation like a monomaniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 The thing is, tv shows which attempt to come across as "realistic" inevitably find validation among its fans by comparison with the real world. The thesis usually is that a show like this is topical, relevant, and "more acceptable" to a general audience because it reflects the current political climate. Once that line of argument is trotted out, you can't shut down the comparisons, either in support of or in refutation of that line of debate, without eliminating that line of debate entirely. Hence, real world politics have become integral to the discussion about (this particular) tv show based on Marvel comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Doesn't mean that the fans have to go there, though. They can keep the topic strictly to what is shown without dragging reality into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 They can, but how often do they show that kind of restraint? I mean, the #1 argument against making a superhero show "like the comics" is that live-action adaptations have to be realistic (with inevitable comparisons to the real world trotted out) in order to find an accepting audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think there's a lot that's happening in our current reality that could be mined for storylines in a low-level X-show like this. I wouldn't mind if that happened. That said, it does seem like people forget about all the non-government storylines that have occurred in the X-books, and I wouldn't want Gifted to turn into a pure government conspiracy show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 "Realistic" does not mean that you have to draw correlation from the show to the current administration. "Realistic" means "with this one little change, if people could do this, this could be our world." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 TV/Movie writers often don't seem to know the difference, or to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Ooops. Mark Ruffalo accidentally lifestreams audio of the first 10-15 minutes of Thor Ragnarok. http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/10/11/thor-ragnarok-spoilers-mark-ruffalo-instagram-livestream/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 New Mutants Trailer is out NOT what I was expecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 That trailer makes it look like a conventional horror flick. Is that really what it's supposed to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Ok, other then Raine and maybe Dani, did anyone recognize any of them? I suppose the guy with the broken arm might be Guthrie. And the girl we keep seeing maybe is Xian, only not asian. But other then that, I don't recognize any part of that as the New Mutants. Is this set in the X-Verse? Apparently, it is supposed to be a horror film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Mutants_(film) Edited October 13, 2017 by slikmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yeah, maybe it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Fox is doing a non-X movie called "The New Mutants", but somehow I doubt it. I think maybe they just picked up the DC/WB Wrong Direction virus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 No Xian. Rahne, Sam, Roberto, Dani, and Illyana. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4682266/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 They might be dealing with Illyana or Legion. Lots of horror elements there. Very difficult to tell if its meant to be horror or if its just another really misleading ad campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 It's a mutant/teen angst/horror movie. Also ties to X-franchise with MacAvoy playing Xavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Dani had the Demon Bear saga too. Still, while I often take pride in how many genres superhero stories can cross I admit they've probably picked one I have far less interest in. slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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