BoloOfEarth Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yeah, I know. I had exactly the same disconnect and thoughts. I was just being a smarta** about my strong expectation that the writers have put next to zero thought into things like that. That said, as to multiple users going separate ways, I'd think it could maybe be done by directing different users into discreet areas of the holodeck which can be walled off on the fly, with each area having its own rotatable, variable-movement, variable-tilt user platform. If users are supposed to be in sight of each other but far away, use holograms of the other users, appropriately small enough to show them at a distance. So even though Phil and Steve see each other at, say, opposite ends of the football field, they're actually about 20 feet apart, separated by a holo-wall with sound dampening active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 11/17/2017 at 4:41 AM, Ternaugh said: Small horror films are where the best ROI has been this year. Happy Death Day has made over $55 million domestic and $33 million foreign on an initial budget of $4.8 million. This has been true for decades. Since before Blair Witch. It takes almost nothing to film a horror movie--an abandoned house, a couple of cameras, half a dozen reasonably attractive unknown "actors", and a 55 gallon drum of fake blood. You don't even need lights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I guess I was just curious if the Trek holodeck's functioning was ever described in detail in some officially licensed "Technical Manual" book or something. I'm guessing not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I dimly recall there was half a page on it in the TNG technical manual. I'd look it up but I haven't seen it for 15 years and have no idea where it is. Anyway, it's all holograms and force fields, even the part you walk on, and maybe some matter replication for foodstuffs. Like half the Ent-D's computer processing power was devoted to running the thing. No, it makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I think I read same thing as Old Man. That basically everyone is on a force field treadmill, so you feel you are walking/running, but really the holograms are moving and you are walking/running in place. Then the holograms can change perspective of people locations, so from when you enter the room, you may not actually move more then 5 feet and the system effectively creates a hologram around each individual/group as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 It was bothering me, so I went on Memory Alpha to see what it said and... the holodeck page is reeeeally involved and uses transporter tech as well as the others. But it still boils down to PFM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 So we can assume, then, that The Orville's system works differently since they don't have transporter tech. One wonders how much more sophisticated their holodeck technology must be since they have to replace the functions normally handled by transporter tech (on Trek) with something else entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm fond of those giant spikes that they jam in the back of people's heads in the Matrix series. Perform the simulations entirely in the user's head. Of course, that wouldn't support the storylines where holodeck stuff escapes into reality, but so far we haven't had that in Orville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Hmm, how fun an episode would it be if something did escape using that (or similar technology) so only the people who were in there could see it, and because they were still hooked in, they were the ones causing the mischief. You could do a really funny or really serious episode with that premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 7 hours ago, zslane said: So does the floor of a holodeck move so that you can physically run around the space? How does that work for multiple people who go off in different directions? There are some interesting methods of turning your body only 80 degrees when your brain thinks you've turned 90. The VR software can store up all of those shaved degrees to prevent you from walking into a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 OK, I think they have officially Hit Their Stride. I wouldn't call Firestorm a perfect episode, but it was the first one that I felt really stood on its own with no apologies needed. And yeah, Alara's definitely my favorite character too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, bigdamnhero said: And yeah, Alara's definitely my favorite character too. Me three. She's by far the most likable character for me and the wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Likewise. I also like Dr. Finn; if there was a crew that needed a "mom" this is it. I want to like Lt. LaMarr but so far he's mainly been comic relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I wasn't too enamored with Dr. Finn before, but her Turn To The Creepy this episode was genuinely chilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Oh, and as much as I didn't care for the way Cupid's Dagger blithely dismissed multiple instances of date rape, I will give them props for not having Ed go through a Crying Game style post-gay-hookup panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 So, The Orville has done a Star Trek-style space wedgie episode. Bound to happen, I suppose. (OK, you could count the "dark matter storm" as a space wedgie, too. Your basic hand-wavey excuse to put the ship in peril.) But I give them props for a much cooler space wedgie that I ever saw in Star Trek. A bit of real Sensawunda here, I thought. Though I think Yaphet still should have been made chief engineer. Experience counts. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yeah, I feel Yaphet has a legit gripe here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Hermit said: Yeah, I feel Yaphet has a legit gripe here. I agree. He had the seniority in Engineering, and they install this newbie as Chief Engineer? I'd be pissed too if that happened to me. Okay, yeah, he's a brainiac. So what? Does he have all the necessary engineering classes--to say nothing of practical experience--under his belt? (I *think* they said he had great scores in Engineering, to be honest, but if so it just hits another hot button of mine--which is that in most tv SF, "science" of any sort is indistinguishable from "science" of any other sort. You're a botanist? Well, naturally, you understand temporal mechanics and artificial intelligence systems as well....) I wasn't too keen on Yaphet at first. He seemed like too much of a "this would be funny" character. But episodes like New Dimension (where he gets pissed off by the juvenile prank played on him AND he gets righteously angry about being passed over for promotion in favor of a newbie) have made him more of a real character, and I like it. Starlord, bigdamnhero, DShomshak and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yeah, I’m not thrilled that they’ve decided to follow the Jean Luc Picard School of Leadership & Personnel Management, but it is in keeping with the theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 heck, it's in some ways a direct rip off of LaForge heading from helm to Engineering. But it does look bad from a certain POV- It's like Yaphet got passed over because someone did well on a SAT score back at the academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I think everyone is reading too much in to this. It's Orville........ bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yaphit is growing on me after this episode too. Of course, his tirade in Mercer's office was pretty unprofessional, but there's not much of that in evidence anywhere, really, so picking on Yaphit for it is perhaps a little unfair. I kind of feel that this move with Lamar is an attempt to essentially reboot the character. Do they expect us to just forget he used to be a complete dumbass (along with Malloy), and accept him as Mr. Big Brains now? I don't really buy the explanation, and I don't really buy the jarring and unearned character re-write. But I guess this is the sort of "adjusting" a show goes through during its first season as it works out all the kinks. On most shows, though, changes like this tend to happen gradually, and with much more subtlety. BTW, I'm surprised Bortus had digestive troubles after consuming a piece of Yaphit. I thought Moclins could eat anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, zslane said: Yaphit is growing on me after this episode too. I'm sure the Doctor can provide a cream fr this Starlord, Old Man and bigdamnhero 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 11 hours ago, Hermit said: heck, it's in some ways a direct rip off of LaForge heading from helm to Engineering. But it does look bad from a certain POV- It's like Yaphet got passed over because someone did well on a SAT score back at the academy I wouldn't even of minded that so much, if they hadn't gone directly from "I'm placing a letter of reprimand on your file...WHOA, I didn't realize you were an under-performing smart person! I guess we'll promote you and put you in charge of other, more qualified people, included the one you just assaulted." Yaphit's got a helluva EEO suit, is all I'm saying. It actually reminded me of the TNG episode where they introduced Barclay (who, granted, in time turned into an interesting character). When Geordi complained that he wasn't sure what to do with this smart-but-clueless f**k-up, Picard's advice was "Make him your best friend!" We all literally fell out of our chairs laughing so hard at that one. 11 hours ago, Spence said: I think everyone is reading too much in to this. It's Orville........ Heh. Yeah, `cause fans overthinking things would be unprecedented. But you're right, there is something freeing about a show that so openly says "We're not taking this too seriously; you don't have to either." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, bigdamnhero said: I wouldn't even of minded that so much, if they hadn't gone directly from "I'm placing a letter of reprimand on your file...WHOA, I didn't realize you were an under-performing smart person! I guess we'll promote you and put you in charge of other, more qualified people, included the one you just assaulted." Yaphit's got a helluva EEO suit, is all I'm saying. It actually reminded me of teh TNG episode where they introduced Barclay (who, granted, in time turned into an interesting character). When Geordi complained that he wasn't sure what to do with this smart-but-clueless f**k-up, Picard's advice was "Make him your best friend!" We all literally fell out of our chairs laughing so hard at that one. Heh. Yeah, `cause fans overthinking things would be unprecedented. But you're right, there is something freeing about a show that so openly says "We're not taking this too seriously; you don't have to either." Yeah, coming from Picard that was especially interesting as he wasn't exactly Captain Social Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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