Old Man Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Isn't it just the elevator question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Well clearly Mjolnir was semi-sentient, and in addition to the ability to alter the local gravity around it, had the power "Sense Worthiness". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Quote A long long time ago I tried to decide an in-universe reason why Vision could lift Mjolnir. The idea is that as an AI he's sinless and worthy. Never done bad things, has no ill will toward anyone, noble etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: The idea is that as an AI he's sinless and worthy. Never done bad things, has no ill will toward anyone, noble etc. Plus yrs of service to another and putting his (ego) needs above its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 I tend to think his years as Jarvis are a big part of what made the difference between Vision and Ultron. They both had all the knowledge in the world, but Ultron knew humanity only in the abstract, as data. Jarvis had much more direct experience with people, and that gave Vision a deeper understanding of us. Bazza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 In the MCU universe he's a pure AI powered by a soul stone. That's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Mind Stone. Soul Stone is still MIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 I thought Hela would have the Soul Stone, it would explain why she was so godawfully powerful, far beyond every other Asgardian. But no, she just... was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 We never really got to see Odin cut loose. A bit at the start of the first movie, and of course he stripped Thor of his power with little apparent effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Bazza said: Mind Stone. Soul Stone is still MIA. Grrr... I always get my soul/gem/infinity/stone/power cosmics mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 The question of why Vision is worthy to lift/wield Mjolnir is less interesting to me than how the enchantment is enforced. If the answer is, "It is just is," then I think we should also be satisfied with answering the Vision question with "He just is." Starlord and Lord Liaden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 In that respect it’s dangerously close to D&D “Detect Good/Evil” spells. Would Thor use Mjolnir to squish baby orcs? Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Considering how eager Thor was in his first movie to slaughter Frost Giants, I think the answer to that question would be, "Now, never. Then, probably." Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Nah there's no fun in mashing babies. He wasn't malicious and psychotic, he was juvenile and arrogant. Fighting frost giants was about fun for him, not murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: I thought Hela would have the Soul Stone, it would explain why she was so godawfully powerful, far beyond every other Asgardian. But no, she just... was. There's the theory that the Eternal Flame is the Soul Stone. Hela scooped some up to reanimate Fenrir and the warriors, and it resurrected/maximized Surtur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 There's also the (more compelling, I think) theory that the Soul Stone is in Wakanda, and that's how the heart-shaped flower ritual permits speaking with the souls of Wakandans who have passed on, and the reason for Thanos' attack on Wakanda in Infinity War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Prerelease info from the cast details why they go to Wakanda. It is not because of the Soul Stone. But it can be logically deduced why. Not suggesting you are wrong with this theory, but suggesting it is fairly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 That's the problem with how they've set up the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far. Everything with any real power is a soul stone or at least can reasonably be connected to one by speculation. Vision wasn't made by a genius, he's got a power stone! The Eye of Agamotto isn't a powerful magical item from ancient myth, its a power stone! Its kind of a limiting factor. I get wanting to tie it together and create a continuity but that's definitely a problem for future stories and well-established characters in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: That's the problem with how they've set up the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far. Everything with any real power is a soul stone or at least can reasonably be connected to one by speculation. Vision wasn't made by a genius, he's got a power stone! The Eye of Agamotto isn't a powerful magical item from ancient myth, its a power stone! Its kind of a limiting factor. I get wanting to tie it together and create a continuity but that's definitely a problem for future stories and well-established characters in the universe. You miss the Casket of Infinite Winters which has real power and not an Infinity Stone. Ditto Mjolnir. Ditto Eternal Flame. Ditto Odin's Spear. But it like you it makes me think to weave a continuity that ties loose strands together. Last Friday I thought about exactly this for four hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Well, part of the reason Vision is the way he is, is because of the vibranium Ultron bonded to his cellular structure during his creation. I'd say that process took genius. And that mountain of v. in Wakanda is one major power which seems to have nothing to do with infinity stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 1:05 PM, Lord Liaden said: Except that incident was immediately followed by Thor creating a hurricane under New York harbor to push and hold back all the water rushing in to fill where Manhattan had been, right to the shore line, so his fellow Avengers could evacuate people from the flooded underground road and subway tunnels. Certainly an impressive feat, and one that should have given the rest of the Avengers and anyone else witnessing it chills. But I think lifting that volume of solid rock to orbit while simultaneously keeping the air in with a force field dwarfs it in terms of the energy required. Also note that Thor said he was tiring out from the effort, whereas Terrax didn't seem to be. I do think Odin (along with his fellow skyfather gods) is a tier above the rough power level of the various heralds (and Thor). In the not too distant past he took on Galactus in a one-on-one fight, though I think the latter was shown to clearly have the advantage. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Old Man said: In that respect it’s dangerously close to D&D “Detect Good/Evil” spells. Would Thor use Mjolnir to squish baby orcs? Well, they don't have an evil aura until 5th level so probably not based on Detect Evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Old Man said: In that respect it’s dangerously close to D&D “Detect Good/Evil” spells. Would Thor use Mjolnir to squish baby orcs? Are these orcs from Midgard or Middle Earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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