pawsplay Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Sppeaking of the Avengers, "Superman's role as universally recognized boy scout doesn't exist because that trope doesn't exist in the Marvel universe." Excuse me? Captain America? You are excused. Considering the events of Civil War, as well as Captain America's USAgent and Nomad personas, Captain America has a very different relationship with the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 "Sigh" Let's just skate over all the times Superman went crazy, turned evil, or was impersonated by others with questionable motives. I expressed my points as best I could, and I'll leave it to others reading this thread to decide for themselves. Time for me to move on. Lee, Duke Bushido and Squeakula 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I should add that continuity was an issue as well. Bronze age created heavy continuity which is a trend which continues through modern but Iron dropped a lot of worry about that and Modern cares even less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 13 hours ago, steriaca said: The Golden Age: Basically from Action Comics #1 to when E.C. Comics shut down all their horror comics. The Dark Age: From the shut down of most of E.C. Comics stuff (except for Mad), till Fantastic Four #1. The Silver Age: From Fantastic Four #1 till the Death of Gwen Stacy. The Bronze Age: From the Death of Gwen Stacy till, um, the 90's. The Iron Age: The 90's till the end of the Comic Book Crash (the oversaturation of event comics and special covers). The Modern Age: After the crash till now. Subages: The Black And White Age: From Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 till the early 90's. The Manga Age: From Lone Wolf And Cub #1 till the end of Borders book store. Others are free to give more details. You could say that the Bronze Age is still going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I've heard the early millennium referred to as "the Steel Age," having brought the insights from the deconstruction of the super genre during the Iron Age and alloying them with more traditional comic themes, tropes and characterizations. IMO most recent comics might as well be called "the Slag Age." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 If Vanguard is the Champions Universe equivalent of Superman... ...would we really want to see its equivalent of Bizarro? Or Doonsday ( Ripper might be close enough...but he predates Doomsday)? And no fair calling Bizarro Vanguard "Rearguard".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadDomain Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 9:44 AM, segerge said: He also appears once in Book of the Machine, which includes the factoid that Vanguard's superhero costume was blue and gold. I am fairly sure I saw a picture of Vanguard and his costume was blue with red cape and trims. Must be a 6e book since everything was black and white before... 2 hours ago, steriaca said: And no fair calling Bizarro Vanguard "Rearguard".. I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Well for what it's worth Golden Age Champions 4th edition had Captain Atlas who was more a Golden Age Captain Marvel/Billy Batson type of character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 The only other illo of Vanguard I'm aware of is on p. 155 of Champions Universe 6E, which shows his animated corpse pushing out of his grave at the command of Takofanes. In that his costume colors are dark blue, purple, and dirty gold, but that can be attributed to his decayed state. Of course in Book Of The Destroyer it states that Vanguard's body burned to ash on reentry to Earth's atmosphere after exhausting himself smashing the asteroid, but that would be a minor retcon. A zombie Superman sounds like a terrifying opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 hours ago, starblaze said: Golden Age Champions 4th edition had Captain Atlas who was more a Golden Age Captain Marvel/Billy Batson type of character. And therefore superior and more interesting in every possible way. (I can let myself out; thanks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 No, here, allow me to help you: Lawnmower Boy, Ninja-Bear, Matt the Bruins and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: A zombie Superman sounds like a terrifying opponent. I remember one Adventurers Club writeup for a character who had Regeneration which was fully invisible. The SFX was that damage would appear on his body as he took it and he would fall over "dead" at the appropriate time as if he didn't have any Regeneration (even though the Regeneration really was working in the background). So he could be "killed". But if the heroes walked away for a while or called the coroner's office and flew away, the bad guy would eventually pop back up apparently fully healed between one moment and the next. And ready to go again. I wanted to use that concept but never got around to it. A zombie Superman sounds perfect for that power and SFX. For some additional mischief, add a triggered costume change when he's fully revived. It might even take the heroes a while to figure out that they're fighting the same monster over and over rather than a series of different monsters. Amorkca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadDomain Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: The only other illo of Vanguard I'm aware of is on p. 155 of Champions Universe 6E, which shows his animated corpse pushing out of his grave at the command of Takofanes. In that his costume colors are dark blue, purple, and dirty gold, but that can be attributed to his decayed state. That might be what I remember 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: Of course in Book Of The Destroyer it states that Vanguard's body burned to ash on reentry to Earth's atmosphere That is not very superhero-y... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I prefer the burned to ash version. It means his body was never found, if you get my drift... Lawnmower Boy and wcw43921 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, assault said: I prefer the burned to ash version. It means his body was never found, if you get my drift... And _that_ is very superhero-y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 hours ago, DreadDomain said: That is not very superhero-y... Except that it happened because Vanguard exhausted all his power crashing into that asteroid at ludicrous speed to shatter it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 And the Edomite was stopped by the Descending Hierarchy, except when he wasn't. The CU's continuity has achieved a similar level of stupid to that of the major comics companies, which is quite an accomplishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadDomain Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Except that it happened because Vanguard exhausted all his power crashing into that asteroid at ludicrous speed to shatter it. I understand the rationale. It just feels a grim fate for such a great hero... unless it was to make sure that no body was found. Because you know, if there is no body... 7 hours ago, assault said: I prefer the burned to ash version. It means his body was never found, if you get my drift... And.... I should have read all the posts before replying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 8 hours ago, assault said: And the Edomite was stopped by the Descending Hierarchy, except when he wasn't. The CU's continuity has achieved a similar level of stupid to that of the major comics companies, which is quite an accomplishment. I'm not sure I grasp your point, assault. Elaboration, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 hours ago, DreadDomain said: I understand the rationale. It just feels a grim fate for such a great hero... unless it was to make sure that no body was found. Because you know, if there is no body... And.... I should have read all the posts before replying... The heroic sacrifice is a classic part of comic-book lore. John "Menthor" Janus staggering through a hail of bullets to warn the other THUNDER Agents of a trap. Ferro Lad of the Legion of Superheroes carrying a bomb into the Sun-Eater. Barry Allen burning himself out destroying the Anti-Monitor's doomsday weapon. Besides, when you're dead, you usually don't care what condition your body's in. wcw43921 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segerge Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/14/2021 at 9:54 PM, Lord Liaden said: Except that it happened because Vanguard exhausted all his power crashing into that asteroid at ludicrous speed to shatter it. The amount of BODY you would take from your half of the Move-through damage at ludicrous speed is eye-opening when you sit down and try to design Vanguard in such a way as he fits with his existing descriptions (like in Book of the Destroyer). Any semi-realistic depiction of his kamikaze run on that asteroid leaves both him and that asteroid little better than fine gravel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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