Vestnik Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 I was leafing through the Bestiary and Ultimate Brick the other night (great books!) and made a sorry observation. Based on the writeups of Grond in TUB and cattle in the Bestiary, Grond would have to punch a cow twice on average to bring it to 0 BODY. Something is very wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Looking at it conversely, how tough is the cow against Grond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wylodmayer Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Actually, I think that's how they benchmark the NPCs at HERO Games. "Hey Bob, How strong is this villain supposed to be?" "Oh, about two cows, Jim." "Only two? Wow." "Ayep." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow I'm betting you're looking at the entry for "Buffalo/Cattle" on p. 141 of the Bestiary. Based on that name, the accompanying illustration, some of the animal's statted abilities, and comparing stats with other comparable creatures in the book, I don't think that writeup is meant to represent the average Holstein heifer. I think we're talking bison, Cape buffalo, and other particularly large and tough bovines. Even if the Bestiary entry is meant to include domestic breeds, IMO those stats are more appropriate to bulls than cows. That would match the stated goal of the Bestiary to focus on creatures that are more aggressive and dangerous, since they make better encounters for heroes. Your average domestic cow should be much more fragile IMO, more like the various horse writeups. Of course if you allow for Hit Locations, if Grond punched said bovine in the head it would be instant hamburger. Even if you don't it's going to be unconscious for some time. However, it's definitely difficult to kill many things in superheroic games without Hit Locations (such as most four-color games), and deliberately so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaskar Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow This is the perfect reason why every group should have a Brick Cow. "Oh no, it's Captain Cow!" "Moo-moo-moo MOOOO!" "AHHHH! run away, run away!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow I could see Grond having trouble taking on Apocalypse Cow. "She's 40 foot high and shoots flames from her teats." Or perhaps Bessie, the Hellcow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow This is the perfect reason why every group should have a Brick Cow. *Strikes up the funkadelic farm music* "She's a Brick... COOOOWW She's mighty mighty and she'll knock you out..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooligan x Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Lionel Ritchie is rolling in his grave now. What's that? He's not dead? Well, he's dead to me. Do you think we can pool our lunch money to get Storn to draw Grond Vs Cow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow *Strikes up the funkadelic farm music* "She's a Brick... COOOOWW She's mighty mighty and she'll knock you out..." I swear if that song gets stuck in my head you're a dead man. Lionel Ritchie is rolling in his grave now. What's that? He's not dead? Well, he's dead to me. Do you think we can pool our lunch money to get Storn to draw Grond Vs Cow? Suggest it in the 'Storn Art From Idea to Full Picture Year 4' thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Heh. Actually, in my game I have Farmer Brown and Bossy, the mind controlling cow. THERE'S an opponent Grond can never defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow hmmmmm.... Bison/Cattle. 22 Body, according to the Bestiary. Object Breakage table, FREd. Living/Vehicle 22 Body= 400 tons. TUV. Trireme warship: 22 Body. Nahh... there aren't any scale inconsistancies in this system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow I made a cow mad scientist once, named "Cowpernicus" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow moo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Grond Haymaker Stupid Cow!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Grond Haymaker Stupid Cow!!! cow go oww! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Grond should be made Directory of Food Safety at the USDA! Stomp out mad cow... disease! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestnik Posted March 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Looking at it conversely' date=' how tough is the cow against Grond?[/quote'] Well, according to the writeup, a cow can do a maximum full Move Through damage of 15d6. That's 17d6 if the cow Pushes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Well, according to the writeup, a cow can do a maximum full Move Through damage of 15d6. That's 17d6 if the cow Pushes. Cows don't push. They just tip over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestnik Posted March 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow I could see Grond having trouble taking on Apocalypse Cow. "She's 40 foot high and shoots flames from her teats." And Grond takes x2 STUN and BODY from Flame Attacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenn Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Is the Cow fighting back? If it is, then Grond can Haymaker (WTF?) and get +4 DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starblaze Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Lionel Ritchie is rolling in his grave now. What's that? He's not dead? Well, he's dead to me. Do you think we can pool our lunch money to get Storn to draw Grond Vs Cow? "Lionel Richie?, Lionel Richie ain't been black since he left the Commodores!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkmanDan Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Grond can consult with Tick on his legendary battle vs. Man-Eating Cow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Grond should beware the cow from Kung Pao: Enter The Fist. It knows kung fu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestnik Posted March 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow hmmmmm.... Bison/Cattle. 22 Body, according to the Bestiary. Object Breakage table, FREd. Living/Vehicle 22 Body= 400 tons. TUV. Trireme warship: 22 Body. It's a REALLY, REALLY big cow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Re: Grond vs. A Cow Water Buffalos are huge, mean and spoiling for fights. Be nice to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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