watson Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Greetings, Champions fans! My name is Ross Watson--a game designer by trade, and I've written a number of HERO articles for Digital Hero, EZ Hero, Haymaker! and Rogues' Gallery. I'm discussing a new Enemies-type book with Blackwyrm, and I want to hear what you guys think... What would you like to see in a new Enemies book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Seeker gone rogue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? A cross-genre book with sections on villains for the Gold/Silver/Bronze/Iron ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? New characters Interesting origins Different takes on old power concepts Good art Either a really big book of villains for the Gold/Silver/Bronze/Iron ages, as MisterVimes suggest or good sized book for each age(say at least 50 each) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Greetings, Champions fans! My name is Ross Watson--a game designer by trade, and I've written a number of HERO articles for Digital Hero, EZ Hero, Haymaker! and Rogues' Gallery. I'm discussing a new Enemies-type book with Blackwyrm, and I want to hear what you guys think... What would you like to see in a new Enemies book? Personal Note: Big fan of Vigil and of what FFG has done with 40k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? A female super scientist of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanis Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? This might not be what you have in mind. I would like to see a book, or at least a section of a book, devoted to themed groupings of "agent" level adversaries that are designed mechanically to work together, including descriptions of their coordinated tactics and potential weaknesses. And have the groupings play differently from each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Either a really big book of villains for the Gold/Silver/Bronze/Iron ages' date=' as MisterVimes suggest or good sized book for each age(say at least 50 each)[/quote'] I'll second these. I'd like to see a fairly wide range of power levels too, from basic thug to master villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dan2448 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? I doubt that I would be interested in a straightforward 'rogues gallery,' myself. But maybe if they were linked in some novel way, or somehow formed the backbone of an intriguing meta plot, I might be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Maybe a General Zod-type alien ubervillain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? I'll second the vote for some interesting meta-plot connections. In the Champions Universe, I would like to see: i) New villains tied to the Zodiac Working. ii) "Dimensional" menaces, including Sixth Dimensional villains. iii) Martians. iv) Time travel-related villains. v) Champions 3000 rogues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watson Posted March 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Personal Note: Big fan of Vigil and of what FFG has done with 40k Thanks, MisterVimes! Great to be recognized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? I'll second a female super-genius, they seem to be lacking in the CU...will the book presume to be in the CU? I'll also say good art. And a consistent style - not necessarily the same artist, but I found the "Animated Series" look on some of the Champions Villains to distract from envisioning them in the CU; where as Icons all uses that look and there it just is part of the feel. I'd like some unusual "Normal" Crime lords, yer Kingpin, Owl, Penguin, Riddler, etc. but with some variety, some should be clearly more capable than others in various areas. Having always wanted to do an Enemies book of my own, my hat is off to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? If this were for the official Champions Universe, I'd like to see a villainous master of cybernetics/bionics. The published setting has several criminal genetic engineers -- Teleios, Dr. Moreau, King Cobra, the Overbrain -- but no one specializing in cyborgs. Perhaps Cryptic Studios would allow their interpretation of Cyberlord to go into a PnP book; or you might revive Dr. Samuel Levy (and his cyborg panthers). I'll second the vote for some interesting meta-plot connections. In the Champions Universe, I would like to see: i) New villains tied to the Zodiac Working. ii) "Dimensional" menaces, including Sixth Dimensional villains. iii) Martians. iv) Time travel-related villains. v) Champions 3000 rogues. The Zodiac Working is one of the more interesting character origins in the setting IMHO, and we only have one of its twelve products as an official character. There's a Japanese Sixth Dimensional villain named Teikei who hasn't been written up yet. Champions Beyond describes some interesting Martian entities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? IMO, most of the villain books have had a shortage of foes at the power level of starting characters. So a number of villains at about 400 points would be nice. Also, a wide variety of villain motivations is good. Personally, I was disappointed that Villains, Vandals and Vermin did not have any actual vandals, or for that matter any literal vermin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? IMO, most of the villain books have had a shortage of foes at the power level of starting characters. So a number of villains at about 400 points would be nice. Also, a wide variety of villain motivations is good. Personally, I was disappointed that Villains, Vandals and Vermin did not have any actual vandals, or for that matter any literal vermin. Just wait for "Villains, Vandals and Vermin II: Rise of the Rat King"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Main Man Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Some ideas: - Street-level villains in the vein of Spider-man - "Cerebral" villains in the vein of Batman (and Lex Luthor for that matter) - "Friendly" villains like the Flash's rogues - "One-Note/One Trick Pony" villains like from countless comic books in the Golden and Silver ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Some Street Level villains some powered, some not but with room to "upgrade" them to higher end campaigns. Some "One Trick Ponies" One shot villains with an unusual shtick or frustrating power good for a session or two until the PCs figure out their gimmick and beat it. 4th Stringers, low powered, perhaps somewhat goofy villains good for comedic games and to gang up on solo heroes and/or fill out a Rogue gallery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? New characters Interesting origins Different takes on old power concepts Good art Either a really big book of villains for the Gold/Silver/Bronze/Iron ages, as MisterVimes suggest or good sized book for each age(say at least 50 each) I second all these, but would add Plot Seeds and Adventures showcasing each Supervillain's schtick. Cheers QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Main Man Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Come to think of it, why not a few villains to act as foils for each classic Champions Psychological Complication (Code of the Hero, Code versus Killing, etc)? Perhaps make a few generic mook characters and then provide templates associated with various villains presented within the book for quick "villain + mooks" generation. Probably try to keep a balanced ratio between superpowers, magic, gadgets, and highly trained normals. For that matter, probably try to keep a fair balance between the archetypes as presented in Champions 6e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? I second all these, but would add Plot Seeds and Adventures showcasing each Supervillain's schtick. Cheers QM Heartily second the plot seeds. While I approve of the format changes to the villains' write-ups for Sixth Edition, the plot seeds included with all the villains in Fifth were one of my favorite parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Also' date=' a wide variety of villain motivations is good. Personally, I was disappointed that [i']Villains, Vandals and Vermin[/i] did not have any actual vandals, or for that matter any literal vermin. Well, Vesper could be considered rather "verminous." While SARGON's armor is particularly well suited to large-scale destruction; in fact his first use of it was to destroy a building, and his Personality/Motivation section says he loves doing just that. Just wait for "Villains' date=' Vandals and Vermin II: Rise of the Rat King"![/quote'] A Rival for the Lord of Rats from Champions Worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? A Japanese or Chinese organisation not tied to the Yakuza, Triads or Tongs would be nice. A villain that is a bit like Dick Dasterdly. His plans are doomed perhaps to fail but he has style. Something different for an American Villain. A Unionist pledged to destroy the South once and for all. It's usually the Confederates doing the South Will Rise Again so this is the opposite side of the coin. A French villain out to destroy the United States for all the slurs against France. Villains from India. A Succubus and/or an Incubus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? Legacy villains. We have Legacy heroes (like the Black Mask), how about a villain who can trace a commonly theme ancestor villain back a few centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laundry Knight Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Re: A new Enemies book: What would you want to see? I'm still new to the system and hadn't read any of the older villain books yet; so, I may be requesting things that already exist, but I would be interested in themed villain groups like the Salem Seven and The Serpent Society of Marvel and The Royal Flush Gang of DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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