Hermit Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 they probably prefer it be called an "Alternative Democracy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 The generals doth protest too much. gewing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 It means more over here than in the US. And if it means the end of Mugabe, then that can only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Well ... no matter what change, it can always be worse. It may not be obvious how that might occur, but it can always get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Yeah, 'the devil you know' is one of the factors that keep these despots in power for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Oh, sending Mugabe off to the next plane of existence is something I would never turn down. I was merely recommending caution against excessive optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, death tribble said: And if it means the end of Mugabe, then that can only be a good thing. *cough* Saddam *cough* Grailknight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Cancer said: Oh, sending Mugabe off to the next plane of existence is something I would never turn down. I was merely recommending caution against excessive optimism. Definitely. My statement goes both ways - they stay in power because people fear the alternative, but at the same time history has shown them that they often have reason to. So, it's a good thing ... but as you say watch out for what fills the vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Well if someone else is going to be running Zimbabwe I hope that they can do a better job that Mugabe. While cronyism, graft and corruption are rife in Africa old Robbie took it to a new level, and ruined his nation in the process. I don't envy the new government if they are actually trying to improve life for the average citizen. They will be starting from a long way back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 21 hours ago, Hermit said: Threaten people with your power and position, be ready to have that position taken away Of course, it makes me wonder how many people she's screwed over out of spite. I fear that is a question that should be asked but probably will not. I wonder how much this kind of attitude has to do with the reports in the media the last couple weeks about a certain candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 21 hours ago, Cancer said: Hm. Smells like a military takeover in Zimbabwe, though the military itself is not calling it that. I'm really surprised that at least appears they've done it without major violence. I always figured Mugabe would be in power until he died of whatever causes. I hope that the military does not turn out to be as bad as it often does but the people are already used to dealing with one dictator so maybe it will actually be an improvement for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 I wish Markdoc was still here. not sure how far off this article is. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453748/research-replication-crisis-growing-problem In Medicine, the Science Has Stopped Working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Death of a pioneer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-42012740 This next one if repeated would be the downfall of civilisation as we know it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42009839 Da Vinci painting sells for a little bit http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-42006584/leonardo-da-vinci-artwork-sells-for-record-450m Ternaugh, L. Marcus and Cygnia 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech priest support Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 13 hours ago, Sociotard said: I wish Markdoc was still here. not sure how far off this article is. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453748/research-replication-crisis-growing-problem In Medicine, the Science Has Stopped Working I wouldn't be quick to believe anything in national review. They are a purely rightwing magazine that filters everything thru a far right bias. They'd blame the tooth fairy for America's broken medical system to distract people from the obvious cause of the healthcare disaster in america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Tech priest support said: I wouldn't be quick to believe anything in national review. They are a purely rightwing magazine that filters everything thru a far right bias. They'd blame the tooth fairy for America's broken medical system to distract people from the obvious cause of the healthcare disaster in america. Yes, the National Review is a right wing publication. They are not Breitbart. I read them as my policy of balancing my diet of Vox, Al-Jazeera and other left-wing publications. It stops me from going full-tribal. It's a good policy and I recommend you try it, if only to notice how harsh the right-wing publications are on Donald Trump and Roy Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 National Review are pretty far right, though historically (and they've been around a long time) I haven't found them as provocative as some sources. This one, though, sets me off pretty seriously, as it is part of a general attack on science and science-based practices which has been apparent for a while. The successes in the US of Big Oil's obfuscation programs about anthropogenic climate change seem to be a prototype for how to deal with scientific results that are inconvenient for quick profits, and I see this as a salvo at the FDA and medical science generally. It's enough to make me think they want to do things like resurrect and reissue thalidomide with a high sticker price and a new tradename. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Thalidomide is in use over here. Used with restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Pah! Restrictions on things that aren't actually illegal are for Communists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Sorry Poor People: The FCC is coming for your braodband plans because why not. We need to fund private Jet Tax Breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Cancer said: National Review are pretty far right, though historically (and they've been around a long time) I haven't found them as provocative as some sources. This one, though, sets me off pretty seriously, as it is part of a general attack on science and science-based practices which has been apparent for a while. The successes in the US of Big Oil's obfuscation programs about anthropogenic climate change seem to be a prototype for how to deal with scientific results that are inconvenient for quick profits, and I see this as a salvo at the FDA and medical science generally. It's enough to make me think they want to do things like resurrect and reissue thalidomide with a high sticker price and a new tradename. Despite telling us that the science is broken the article gives as evidence more political/financial issues disguised as scientific ones. A good story on how bad the GOP has been for the scientific community, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech priest support Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yeah, science has that whole liberal, anti religious bias, so it's got to be wrong. We need people to fight it... Seriously, someone mentioned "alternative democracy" above. It's like "alternative facts”. It's either a fact or it isn't. Either verifiable data supports something or it doesn't. The fact that people choose to believe something and they have a right to believe it doesn't make it a fact, alternative eor otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Cancer said: National Review are pretty far right, though historically (and they've been around a long time) I haven't found them as provocative as some sources. This one, though, sets me off pretty seriously, as it is part of a general attack on science and science-based practices which has been apparent for a while. The successes in the US of Big Oil's obfuscation programs about anthropogenic climate change seem to be a prototype for how to deal with scientific results that are inconvenient for quick profits, and I see this as a salvo at the FDA and medical science generally. It's enough to make me think they want to do things like resurrect and reissue thalidomide with a high sticker price and a new tradename. Ive read articles in the past from the author where he has stuck up for science. This has been from non NR publications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I don't think science has a liberal or anti-religious bias. I DO believe that the current GOP have a very anti science bias. Pariah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, Enforcer84 said: I don't think science has a liberal or anti-religious bias. I DO believe that the current GOP have a very anti science bias. Science rejects the notion that you can say "X is true because it is" and be done with it. The Appeal to Authority is frequently taught as a logical fallacy in elementary logic and philosophy classes, something that is basically an admission that you really have no evidence to support your position. Religious argument, when done wrong, is often the ultimate appeal to authority. To take an extreme example: "Deuteronomy 13:7 states that the Earth is flat. Therefore, the Earth is flat." It is based on the notion of Biblical literalism, which has somehow become quite popular in this country. To use the most obvious example, if the Book of Genesis presents the literal account of how the Universe came into existence then there is no point in examining the matter further. It is sinful to even want to. And that attitude tends to lend itself to an overall contempt for science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 On 15.11.2017 at 2:12 AM, Ternaugh said: Marijuana is legal in Nevada, but it would be a bad idea for anyone who has a Gaming Card to partake. Likewise, there's no way that casinos will allow people to light up, as it puts their gaming license at risk. On 15.11.2017 at 2:12 AM, Ternaugh said: Marijuana is legal in Nevada, but it would be a bad idea for anyone who has a Gaming Card to partake. Likewise, there's no way that casinos will allow people to light up, as it puts their gaming license at risk. On 15.11.2017 at 4:58 AM, gewing said: that and companies who operate in more than one state, particularly in certain fields, prefer to abide by Federal Law. Actually, I am surprised Trump and his AG jackass have not tried to go after the tax profits of the states that have allowed medicinal or recreational sales. A lot of my former co workers are heartfelt supporters of marijuana usage... won't admit there could ever be any problems from it... Every time I see "it is a natural plant" I want to say "so is Deadly Nightshade, do you want to smoke it?" or else " well, 100 years ago, sure. at current levels of THC content due to selective breeding and hydroponics? not so much. " I have become a curmudgeon... :-( On 15.11.2017 at 5:11 AM, Ternaugh said: I didn't need a drug test before hire for only four jobs. One was a student worker position in college, one was with the EPA, and two were small companies. The current job will drug test anyone who has an accident at work. Drug Tests in my country are relatively rare. I know we had one as part of the Draft Programm, back when we still had a draft. Everything more must be in the Job Contract. And even then the results transmitted are stricly tied to "job relevant" and are otherwise under full patient/doctor confidentiality. Somehow we have less of a Drog Problem then the US. On 15.11.2017 at 12:29 AM, assault said: Australia votes for Marriage Equality. My electorate very narrowly voted against it. It's also the very conservative home town of one of the most prominent No campaigners. His family, and a whole bunch of other committed social conservative activists, live here. There is very little of a visible LGBTI scene. And still they couldn't get more than 50.8% support. The Anti LGBT people can be really wierd. The most insane thing I heard was people actually fearing "Marriage with Toasters" and other Inanimate Objects would become legal. Wich is nothing but stupid, because Toasters were never even eligible for Marriage (natural Person and not already married). And nothing in changing "1 man + 1 women" to "2 eligible people" would change that. On 15.11.2017 at 4:41 PM, Hermit said: Threaten people with your power and position, be ready to have that position taken away Of course, it makes me wonder how many people she's screwed over out of spite. Alcohol makes people act insane. One reason I do not drink. The other is that it takes bitter and makes me sleepy. On 15.11.2017 at 8:16 PM, Old Man said: *cough* Saddam *cough* Saddam was not deposed by the people. But by the US Troops under Bush Jr. Very different case. That is just one of the Kerfluffles created by a Republican President, that Democrat (Obama) had to fix. And then people blame Obama on how he fixed it. On 16.11.2017 at 8:37 PM, death tribble said: This next one if repeated would be the downfall of civilisation as we know it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42009839 A friend of mine was actually in Japan a few times and the timining for trains is insanely precise. So precise they hire people (called Pushers) to make sure the doors can close on time. And from that point of view 20 seconds to early is actually worse then 20 seconds too late. Because it means people did not get the train due to the extremely tight shedule. On 17.11.2017 at 8:13 AM, Tech priest support said: I wouldn't be quick to believe anything in national review. They are a purely rightwing magazine that filters everything thru a far right bias. They'd blame the tooth fairy for America's broken medical system to distract people from the obvious cause of the healthcare disaster in america. This article seems relativey well written. But the proposed links and embedded video seem very onesided indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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