Old Man Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Sociotard said: And they caught one kid. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/boy-arrested-in-australia-after-admitting-putting-needles-in-fruit-a3939811.html But there may be copycats, so some stores are doing their part by not selling needles https://www.businessinsider.com/australian-store-woolworths-stops-selling-needles-people-hiding-them-in-fruit-2018-9 Just tragic. Do they not have magnets or metal detectors in Australia? I know it's a Bronze Age penal colony, but geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Cancer said: Turns out my guess was wrong, and it is much more boring than anyone would guess. Turns out an employee was using the site's high-bandwidth internet connection to collect child porn. If there's one valid justification for waterboarding and Guantanamo, this would be it. I hope they work that guy over with different pieces of metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Hopcroft said: Many people who study the subject would say you're not that far off. In Sumerian cities, part of the workman's wage was paid in barley, with which he would brew beer.... Ancient Moonshine. Though they had to wait for the Copper Age to get the tubing right. Pariah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Old Man said: If there's one valid justification for waterboarding and Guantanamo, this would be it. I hope they work that guy over with different pieces of metal. If you add gelding, I think my mother would be on board for this as punishment for child molesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 They still have their hands and mouths though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 First round of 59 recorded in Portugal in Golf https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/45599207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Quote The epidemic of substance use disorders and drug overdose deaths is a growing public health crisis in the United States. Every day, 174 people die from drug overdoses. Source: an "open"? paper in today's Science link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Cancer said: Source: an "open"? paper in today's Science link I am allowed to see the Abstract. Ther acutal paper? Probably not (not that I'm understanf the details). This element of the abstract was particular striking: Quote Paradoxically, there has been substantial variability with which specific drugs have become dominant in varying populations and geographic locales. This variability all but negates the possibility of confident predictions about the future role of specific drugs. Indeed, it is possible that a future overdose epidemic may be driven by a new or obscure drug that is not among the leading causes of drug overdose death today. The implication is that laws that target specific substances (like heroin or prescription opiates) are not going to be all that effective in reducing the overall mortality rate -- or even making a significant dent in its growth. It even seems likely that the sort of policy decision that would have any effect at all simply doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 It's my understanding that drug addiction is generally a symptom rather than a cause. For instance, you've probably heard about how addictive heroin is; why, that rat in the classic experiment kept pressing the lever for another hit at the expense of eating! Well, a critical detail that scientists failed to consider the first time around is that rats are intelligent and social animals, and THOSE rats were kept in a tiny, empty cage all alone. They were in solitary confinement; no wonder they turned to drugs to ease the pain of their existence. When the experiment was repeated, with the critical difference of providing the rats with a large habitat with enrichment features and, most importantly, other rats to socialize with . . . the heroin wasn't a big deal to them. It's largely the same with humans. When you find a human who has a crippling substance addiction problem, you'll probably find that they have significant mental/emotional needs that aren't being met. The way to minimize drug abuse is to provide better community connections, and better health care, both physical and mental. Michael Hopcroft and RDU Neil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 So what you're saying is... I should try drugs. Starlord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 14 hours ago, Old Man said: So what you're saying is... I should try drugs. "This is your cephalopod. This is your cephalopod on drugs. Any questions?" https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/scientists-give-molly-octopuses-yeah-it-works-ncna911626 RDU Neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 22 hours ago, Old Man said: So what you're saying is... I should try drugs. After seeing the glazed look in my mother's eyes after taking Melatonin. I at least will never be taking that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 22 September 2018 at 9:51 AM, Old Man said: So what you're saying is... I should try drugs. Best stick with chemicals like h2o. Although, it can be addictive, like, you crave it every day. Use with caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I'm addicted to oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 5:39 PM, Zeropoint said: It's largely the same with humans. When you find a human who has a crippling substance addiction problem, you'll probably find that they have significant mental/emotional needs that aren't being met. The way to minimize drug abuse is to provide better community connections, and better health care, both physical and mental. I think that only applies to those who have never been addicted. To my knowledge, none of the "rat paradise" rats were former addicts. This is relevant because each of us will have times when we feel like we're in the "rat prison" experiment and times when we're in "rat paradise". If we become addicts during a "rat prison" period, we'll always have the burden of addiction. So fixing an addict isn't as simple as fixing his condition. I will agree that seeing an epidemiological increase in addiction probably means the community as a whole has problems that need addressed. Starlord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Well, I have to admit I am a bit mixed on addicts. I want to feel empathy, but I did have a friend in childhood, who had an alcoholic father, and frankly the family would have been better off if the @$$hole had died off or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Badger said: I'm addicted to oxygen. It’s safer when cut with something like nitrogen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 I prefer a 20/80 mix myself, but hey, to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Badger said: Well, I have to admit I am a bit mixed on addicts. I want to feel empathy, but I did have a friend in childhood, who had an alcoholic father, and frankly the family would have been better off if the @$$hole had died off or something. I'm an adult child of an alcoholic, and I attended Alateen and Al-Anon when younger. I'd have to say that there are probably more folks who have struggled with some kind of addiction than you realize. My experience is that underlying personality doesn't really change, but it does get amplified by alcohol--I've seen plenty of belligerent drunks get clean and sober and still be a**holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 7:06 PM, pinecone said: I once entertained my son by explaining that Beer is the reason for civilisation. We need agriculture, to grow stuff for beer! Weneed storage devices, like pots for Beer! We need writing and math, to keep track of the beer! In this regard, I recommend The Drawing of the Dark by Tim Powers. Arthurian fantasy set during the Siege of Vienna. The Fisher King is also involved, along with the oldest brewery in the world. These elements are all related. Dean Shomshak pinecone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Ternaugh said: I'm an adult child of an alcoholic, and I attended Alateen and Al-Anon when younger. I'd have to say that there are probably more folks who have struggled with some kind of addiction than you realize. My experience is that underlying personality doesn't really change, but it does get amplified by alcohol--I've seen plenty of belligerent drunks get clean and sober and still be a**holes. Yeah, that is true. I don't think the one in question was ever physically abusive to be fair to him, at least. Still he was there as an emotional leech, my friend didn't seem to get "affected" too much, but his older brothers did act out and get themselves in trouble (well, one did become a preacher, ironically). I guess I do have an unconscious protective instinct that kicks in for people in my circle. Maybe I should say I have a measure of sympathy, but not so much empathy. And it starts to end at the point where those around them get affected negatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 hours ago, DShomshak said: In this regard, I recommend The Drawing of the Dark by Tim Powers. Arthurian fantasy set during the Siege of Vienna. The Fisher King is also involved, along with the oldest brewery in the world. These elements are all related. Dean Shomshak Thanks! I'll track that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Vallejo police have sent Zodiac Killer DNA to a lab. Results could come in weeks Read more here: https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article210320689.html#storylink=cpy pinecone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Wasn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Me either. I was out of the country at the time. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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