Christopher R Taylor Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 DC wasn't doing an overarching universe well because they were pushing the universe instead of the stories. Just a few hints and fun bits are enough for fans, particularly in the internet age where every frame of a film is pulled apart an examined to meticulous detail. They were using a sledgehammer when all that's needed was the stroke of a pen. Wonder Woman in a newspaper article. Drop a hint of Aquaman in Suicide Squad. A joke in Wonder Woman about Batman. No need to have more than that, just a feeling that this self contained film is part of a larger world. Instead they were like modern day Simpsons where a guest celebrity star is announced: Its Tim Allen! (Tim Allen says a joke) in the middle of the story for no apparent reason. massey and bigdamnhero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Camoes/crossovers should make sense to the story. Can Bruce be helpful here? What about Clark as a newspaper reporter? They may be able to help push the plot along, but it shouldn't feel forced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Bruce's cameo in Wonder Woman was fine. Big black Wayne Enterprises truck and a note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Suicide Squad only used Batman in a flashback, and that was fine. However, my problem with the way Batman has been used so far is that it all feels bass-ackwards to me. He is used as a supporting character in a Superman sequel, and then as a flashback cameo in SS, all before we are given the Affleck version of Batman in his own movie (a movie, by the way, which we'll never see with Affleck in the role now). In my view, the Superman movie should have been followed by a Batman movie, and then BvS would have felt more organic. The small, supporting role Wonder Woman played in BvS was fine because she was more of an easter egg than a critical component of the plot, and her appearance was followed up rather promptly with her own movie. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 What Should The DCEU Be Called Now? http://screenrant.com/dceu-new-name-dc-films/ As it turns out, there is no offical name or brand for it. I was under the impression that "DCEU" was sanctioned and offical, but it isn't the case. So to all those who I've "corrected" over the period, I apologise. Basically, call it what you want*, or not, no one at DC Films cares. It is not really a cinematic universe either, as an "elseworlds" Joker film is being made. "Justice League Universe" was used officially in one marketing spot, but that hasn't been used since. *"Wonder Woman and Super Friends" is as good as any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Suicide Squad only used Batman in a flashback, and that was fine. However, my problem with the way Batman has been used so far is that it all feels bass-ackwards to me. He is used as a supporting character in a Superman sequel, and then as a flashback cameo in SS, all before we are given the Affleck version of Batman in his own movie (a movie, by the way, which we'll never see with Affleck in the role now). In my view, the Superman movie should have been followed by a Batman movie, and then BvS would have felt more organic. The small, supporting role Wonder Woman played in BvS was fine because she was more of an easter egg than a critical component of the plot, and her appearance was followed up rather promptly with her own movie. Sad part was, his use in SS was more Batman then in BvsS. His showing "mercy" on Deadshot, with DS daughter right there. That was what you think of Batman. Not Branding villains to mark their "3 Strikes". Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Batman and Deadshot have always had a really interesting relationship that I thought was well done in the comics in the past. I'm sure all that's been thrown away by now but it was always fascinating to me how sometimes they'd be adversaries and sometimes they'd even work together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 That trailer really didn't move my hype meter at all. I'm still going to at least rent it for WW though. DasBroot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I like it simply for the smile on her face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Saw a trailer tonight for a movie about WW's creator. Interesting. Makes me think the WW movie had such an impact that they decided to do a biopic on Marston, so we'll likely get lots more solo WW movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I saw an interview with the director of Prof. Marston and the Wonder Women. She's been developing this movie for eight years. Its coming out in general release now, after the WW movie made such an impact, is just a happy coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Or is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 That trailer really didn't move my hype meter at all. I'm still going to at least rent it for WW though. Glad I'm not alone. Despite all the action going on I felt... bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Or is it? I imagine you're being sarcastic, but in case you aren't, movies don't get greenlit, developed, filmed and released over a matter of months, especially smaller independent films. It takes years to bring a project like that to fruition, and arrange for distribution. I guarantee this release was settled before WW ever made it to theaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Why does Batman get all the joke lines in the trailers? That's... all wrong. And Flash acting like a 12 year old fanboy is odd as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 And Flash acting like a 12 year old fanboy is odd as well He seems to be channeling JL animated Flash, which is actually fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Someone at DC must have released a memo that said the fans wanted lighter fare from the DCEU, and that the biggest bang for their buck would be to shine the most light on the darkest character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think the fight in Captain America: Civil War shows the problem with the DC movies so far. There you had a fight where the focus was on the characters, while DC puts more of it into the background obscuring the characters. Plus the movie Flash makes me pine for the CW's Flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah, he is definitely not a strong point from what has been shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I imagine you're being sarcastic, but in case you aren't, movies don't get greenlit, developed, filmed and released over a matter of months, especially smaller independent films. It takes years to bring a project like that to fruition, and arrange for distribution. I guarantee this release was settled before WW ever made it to theaters. I was just kidding around. My humor isn't always funny. Anyway, do you have a link to the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Free DC e-comics on Amazon today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He seems to be channeling JL animated Flash, which is actually fine with me. Which of course was Wally West, not Barry Allen. Wally was a fanboy who was barely an adult (maybe 21-23 in the animated show). It's another DC wanting one character but the personality of a different version: Green Lantern named Hal Jordan, personality Kyle Rayner. Lex Luthor named Lex Luthor, personality Joker. There are more examples, but they are from further back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Green Lantern named Hal Jordan, personality Kyle Rayner. Lex Luthor named Lex Luthor, personality Joker. Two Face who was basically the Joker (Batman and Robin) yeah its not smart. they have decades of comics to pull from, use those for the template. They have turned Aquaman into a fratboy dude with big pecs, Batman into a jokester, Flash into a little kid, and Cyborg who knows?? Batman seems to have the special relationship with Wonder Woman that he used to with Superman in the comics: mutual respect and admiration, even partners. I don't get where they're going with this at all. It might be good, it might all work. Just hard to see from this side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's all part of a trend in Hollywood to take iconic characters, change them in fairly drastic ways (origin, personality, appearance, etc.) and cravenly use the iconic name just to cash in on the name recognition. 99% of the time these changes aren't fresh and exciting, they are just creatively dishonest. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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