Political Discussion Thread (With Rules)

[Old Man]

10 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

For his devoted followers, yes. Those people who definitely will vote either for or against Trump, have already made up their minds. The undecided are the ones the candidates have to reach.

 

Undecided voters do not exist in significant numbers.  Winning the general election is an exercise in voter turnout, not winning over a handful of unicorns.

[Badger]

yeah, the ones who aren't decided probably not gonna watch.

[Badger]

On 2/18/2020 at 4:52 AM, Starlord said:

Darth Vader did have some awesome health care. 

 

So, did the Decepticons.

[Badger]

6 hours ago, Old Man said:

Undoubtedly Faux News is going to spin any debate however they want.  But all of the 2016 debates had a seasoned political pro up against a rich fat former reality TV star with a ridiculous tie, fake hair, and a fake tan, who obviously had no clue about anything and tried to get through on sheer bluster.  Often all Hillary had to do was stand there and watch Trump make a fool of himself, in much the same way that the person who inflicted the most damage on Bloomberg's campaign last night was Bloomberg.

 

I don't really know how Fox spinned it in 2016.  I was just pointing out from watching it back then. But, you do have a point about not saying anything during the debate.  Since, the Dem debates probably have most helped Trump.

[Pariah]

You remember the old bit about political debates and NASCAR: People don't care don't care who wins, the only watch to see who's going to crash.

[Badger]

I think one problem for the Dem candidates, is they all have weaknesses that can be exploited endlessly in ads, nullifying a lot of ground they could cover in debates

 

Sanders- the s word.  If you aint down with Socialism, he will scare you off.

Warren- if you hate Trump's lies, what about a woman who cant even tell the truth on her ethnicity

Bloomberg-essentially is Trump, in many significant ways

 

Biden-might not even remember his name by the debate, he could end up this generation's Admiral Stockdale.

 

Buttigeig and Klobuchar are the only ones who might can sneak past that.  (I guess Buttigieg can scare off some who still are inflicted with homophobia, and well Klobuchar, well she is the least likely of all anyway)

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Pariah said:

You remember the old bit about political debates and NASCAR: People don't care don't care who wins, the only watch to see who's going to crash.

 

Yeah, I have to admit when I would watch NASCAR it was for the crashes,  (though I never really wanted to see anyone get hurt, which kind of turned me off, eventually)

[Badger]

I gotta apologize a little bit on Biden.  Do to experience with a couple of relatives with dementia in the past.  I feel kind of bad pointing it out, but the man needs to just cash it in, and quit being an embarrassment.  

[Hermit]

6 minutes ago, Badger said:

I gotta apologize a little bit on Biden.  Do to experience with a couple of relatives with dementia in the past.  I feel kind of bad pointing it out, but the man needs to just cash it in, and quit being an embarrassment.  

 

Last debate was one of his BETTER ones recently imo.

But I do think he seems to 'fuzz out' a lot.

[Badger]

Well, like I said, dementia is something I really don't want to make fun of.

 

But, at the same time, given what is at stake, it is hard not to go at Biden, because he could potentially do harm, and just needs to retire for good, and live out what is left.

[Hermit]

9 minutes ago, Badger said:

Well, like I said, dementia is something I really don't want to make fun of.

 

But, at the same time, given what is at stake, it is hard not to go at Biden, because he could potentially do harm, and just needs to retire for good, and live out what is left.

 

For what my opinion is worth, you don't seem to be making fun of dementia at all to me. 

 

 

[Lord Liaden]

I don't believe Biden has dementia. He has foot-in-mouth disease. He's had that for his whole political career -- was actually infamous for it, long before Obama offered him the VP position.

[Badger]

Yes, that is true.  ANd if he was only at times, I would agree.  It seems different now.  I, of course, can say 100%.  But, I am not good a describing things, but too many similarities between him right now, and what I have seen in the early stages of those who did suffer in the past, to not be worried for him. 

 

Edit: I should of said can't say 100 percent. my finger must have not pressed the t hard enough.

[Matt the Bruins]

On 2/19/2020 at 11:54 PM, Hermit said:

If she doesn't get some bump from this I will be surprised.

 

Warren raised $5 million in funding overnight after the debate, and got the press talking about her again after they'd apparently forgotten her existence the past couple of weeks.

 

Regarding Klobuchar and Buttigieg:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/politics/pete-buttigieg-amy-klobuchar-debate/index.html

 

 Hopefully, Buttigieg's military training will allow him to dodge any staplers thrown his way in the next debate.

[Badger]

Heh, strange since those 2 are the ones that seem like the match up best vs. Trump (or I should least overt weaknesses to be exploited)

 

With Warren, it might be like I thought when Kamala Harris had her moment vs Biden.  Kamala really only had one bullet to use and she used it then.   (the only thing she stood out to me before, was always being the one when interviewed on another candidate's idea, saying it was a good idea no matter how wacky, and after me and everyone else apparently forgot about her).  But, in Warren's case it was probably her last bullet.  And history will likely judge as when Warren took Bloomberg down with her.  Apart from that 5M, she likely start to be forgotten again pretty quickly.  Though, her last hope is indeed for that to be remembered till Super Tuesday.  Unfortunately, people have short attention spans, politically, so it is 50/50 at best.

 

From what I can gather, the Dems seem to be:

 

25%-Bernie Sanders

 

75%-Oh, dear Lord, not Bernie, unfortunately that can decide who else but Bernie, and have too evenly split the difference.

 

 

Note: I actually like Bernie the most, mostly do to being the only one relatively honest.  Unfortunately, that honest, reveals we are practically polar opposites.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hermit]

33 minutes ago, Badger said:

Heh, strange since those 2 are the ones that seem like the match up best vs. Trump (or I should least overt weaknesses to be exploited)

 

With Warren, it might be like I thought when Kamala Harris had her moment vs Biden.  Kamala really only had one bullet to use and she used it then.   (the only thing she stood out to me before, was always being the one when interviewed on another candidate's idea, saying it was a good idea no matter how wacky, and after me and everyone else apparently forgot about her).  But, in Warren's case it was probably her last bullet.  And history will likely judge as when Warren took Bloomberg down with her.  Apart from that 5M, she likely start to be forgotten again pretty quickly.  Though, her last hope is indeed for that to be remembered till Super Tuesday.  Unfortunately, people have short attention spans, politically, so it is 50/50 at best.

 

From what I can gather, the Dems seem to be:

 

25%-Bernie Sanders

 

75%-Oh, dear Lord, not Bernie, unfortunately that can decide who else but Bernie, and have too evenly split the difference.

 

 

Note: I actually like Bernie the most, mostly do to being the only one relatively honest.  Unfortunately, that honest, reveals we are practically polar opposites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What tickles me is how much for a time the media seemed* to want to avoid mentioning or agreeing Bernie took the lead except in the most odd backhanded ways. THe REAL Sttory is Klouchabar's third place... etc.

The jokes on the internet regarding this have been amusing even if you don't see it that way.

"Bernie stumbles in to 1st place, can he recover?"

"Bernie Sanders loses coveted second place position!"

"Political experts fear for Bernie as Number One is the loneliest number that you ever knew..."

 

 

* saying seemed because it could be my bias in play but the humor some have taken to it with still is golden

 

 

 

[Badger]

well, I am not sure I have a dog in this fight, anyway.  So, it is funny as an impartial observer.

 

I might have to sit out the Presidential election, unless Bloomberg gets the nom, in which I might have to go insane, and at least entertain a Trump vote.  

 

So, try to avoid going for Bloomberg, for my sake.

 

Note: though, I am not one to influence voting decisions, so consider that last line, just me talking.  And "entertaining" is a long way from doing, also.  just saying Bloomberg is a horrendous outcome for me.

[Hermit]

5 minutes ago, Badger said:

well, I am not sure I have a dog in this fight, anyway.  So, it is funny as an impartial observer.

 

I might have to sit out the Presidential election, unless Bloomberg gets the nom, in which I might have to go insane, and at least entertain a Trump vote.  

 

So, try to avoid going for Bloomberg, for my sake.

 

Note: though, I am not one to influence voting decisions, so consider that last line, just me talking.  And "entertaining" is a long way from doing, also.  just saying Bloomberg is a horrendous outcome for me.

 

I totally understand. Bloomberg winning the presidency rubs me wrong in so many ways

[Badger]

I was telling my mother tonight, that the Dems this election cycle seem to be:

 

DNC (splashes cannister gasoline on self, and lights match):  I'll do it!

 

Everybody:  Ummmm, go for it?

 

 

[Hermit]

3 hours ago, Badger said:

I was telling my mother tonight, that the Dems this election cycle seem to be:

 

DNC (splashes cannister gasoline on self, and lights match):  I'll do it!

 

Everybody:  Ummmm, go for it?

 

 

 

Sad thing is, Bloomberg appears to be quite popular with the older generation of Democrats, y'know, the ones that VOTE the most. They're the most likely to be watching TV and bombarded by Bloomberg's ads (Though he swarms other media too) and most likely to buy the 'Democratic Socialist means Communist" angle

[Hermit]

Dick Van Dyke Endorses young Bernie ;)

[Badger]

But, not old Bernie?

 

It is going to be long journey to the DNC nomination process isn't it, and poorly paved.  I should have hibernated.

[Pariah]

I'm afraid he might be right....

 

Mitt Romney says Trump will be reelected, but not because he’s popular

 

“I can tell you I think it’s likely he will get reelected, not because he’s highly popular, but because I think the Democrats are not going to nominate someone who’ll be a very effective competitor.”

[Badger]

Well, I've known that 6-9 months.   Do, I get points for being a prophet?

[Old Man]

1 hour ago, Pariah said:

I'm afraid he might be right....

 

Mitt Romney says Trump will be reelected, but not because he’s popular

 

 

 

Trump will be re-elected because he no longer has any reason to not cheat. In fact, re-election is his only chance to avoid prosecution once he leaves office. I don’t think people understand how ugly it’s going to get between now and November.