Lord Liaden Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think I heard it best expressed by Beau of the Fifth Column. Trump's supporters have turned over their critical thinking to him. unclevlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 before the electoral vote, Wiscousin said your suit is invalid CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I think I heard it best expressed by Beau of the Fifth Column. Trump's supporters have turned over their critical thinking to him. Hucksters and shysters have always been good at this; it's a necessary part of the job. Trump has simply taken it to a level not seen in this country before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cowan Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: The Electoral College votes are being cast right now. Each state has its own schedule so they're not all done yet. Of note, tho, PA, AZ, and GA have finished, all votes going to Biden. That leaves only Michigan as a potential disruptor, and it wouldn't be enough by itself to shift the overall tally to Trump. So that's one more milestone passed. I still won't say it's absolutely, positively OVER and Trump is GONE!!! until after Biden takes the oath of office, but this should, I think, make any challenge by Trump almost impossible, and any overt action even more explicitly a coup attempt under the law. What remains to be seen is how many, or perhaps which, Republicans acknowledge Biden's win. https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-state-house-senate-closed-130833241.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Today is actually the day I worried the most about potential violence, so closing the Michigan state house is understandable. Haven't seen any reports so far; I'm quite happy to be wrong if it stays that way. Tom Cowan and tkdguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Pariah said: Hucksters and shysters have always been good at this; it's a necessary part of the job. Trump has simply taken it to a level not seen in this country before. I have to disagree. The province of hucksters and shysters is to convince you of the truth of one, generally narrow, thing that any critical thought would reject..."bleach cures coronavirus" is hucksterizing. Getting someone to replace their entire thought processes with theirs is the province of messianic cult leaders. I'd say it also has been seen at this breadth, if not level of success: Joe McCarthy. Lord Liaden and Pariah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 California is probably relishing the role of drama queen of the electoral college. All states except CA, HI, and OR are finished, with the current count at 240-232. So HI and OR can't decide it...it's all Cali. How very Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Electoral College vote makes it official: Biden is elected the nation's 46th president And may I simply say... Ranxerox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just because the alligator's dead, it doesn't necessarily realize it...and its jaws and tail are still very dangerous for a while longer.... Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, unclevlad said: Just because the alligator's dead, it doesn't necessarily realize it...and its jaws and tail are still very dangerous for a while longer.... In particular, I've been monitoring a couple of conservative sites. They are more convinced than ever that Trump will not leave office, and are willing to take up arms against the GOP(!) to ensure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Old Man said: In particular, I've been monitoring a couple of conservative sites. They are more convinced than ever that Trump will not leave office, and are willing to take up arms against the GOP(!) to ensure it. I'm not counting myself safe until Feb 28th. AG Barr resigns effective Dec 23. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/attorney-general-william-barr-resigns-effective-dec-23.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Old Man said: In particular, I've been monitoring a couple of conservative sites. They are more convinced than ever that Trump will not leave office, and are willing to take up arms against the GOP(!) to ensure it. And the entire election-fraud farce has fracture lines running through the entire Party structure. So Trump may yet cause the Party to collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, unclevlad said: And the entire election-fraud farce has fracture lines running through the entire Party structure. So Trump may yet cause the Party to collapse. One can only hope. archer and aylwin13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: Just because the alligator's dead, it doesn't necessarily realize it...and its jaws and tail are still very dangerous for a while longer.... Stand on guard tomorrow. Celebrate tonight. Victories should be savored, especially when we know we have to move on to the next fight. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, archer said: AG Barr resigns effective Dec 23. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/attorney-general-william-barr-resigns-effective-dec-23.html The Fox News spin on this is pretty entertaining. Did you know that Barr's investigations turned up mountains of damning evidence proving Hunter Biden's corrupt dealings in Ukraine and China? I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Apparently, neither did Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Apparently, neither did Barr. On the contrary, he was a Biden Deep State mole the entire time! That's why he buried the investigations and sabotaged the elections. Now that he's gone Trump is sure to reveal the truth! Also, early voting in the Georgia special elections begins today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 hours ago, unclevlad said: California is probably relishing the role of drama queen of the electoral college. All states except CA, HI, and OR are finished, with the current count at 240-232. So HI and OR can't decide it...it's all Cali. How very Hollywood. I know a certain wargaming discussion board where many of the members hate California with a passion. If those guys hated California before, they probably hate us even more now, if that's possible. Small wonder I left that place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Old Man said: Did you know that Barr's investigations turned up mountains of damning evidence proving Hunter Biden's corrupt dealings in Ukraine and China? Well, falsifying evidence and/or lying under oath is a serious sin, so...yes, I can believe they found mountains of damning evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 The best line in the comments section: The SCOTUS kicked the POTUS in the SCROTUS. BarretWallace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Putin Congratulates Joe Biden on Winning U.S. Election So now, even Trump's boss has acknowledged the outcome. Hermit and BarretWallace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 Well, it is official now. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/15/politics/mitch-mcconnell-congratulates-joe-biden/index.html It may be quite amusing to check on how this goes over, but it could also lead to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: Well, it is official now. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/15/politics/mitch-mcconnell-congratulates-joe-biden/index.html It may be quite amusing to check on how this goes over, but it could also lead to nothing. I wouldn't expect it to alter Trump's plans. Other than putting McConnell on his enemies list, I mean. But honestly, McConnell's been on my enemies list for over ten years, so enemies lists are maybe over-rated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, archer said: I wouldn't expect it to alter Trump's plans. Other than putting McConnell on his enemies list, I mean. But honestly, McConnell's been on my enemies list for over ten years, so enemies lists are maybe over-rated? But that's what might be amusing. Will Trump turn on yet another of his most stalwart allies? McConnell made sure there was no substantive impeachment hearing in the Senate; he made sure to ram a third SC justice. If Trump's been Prince John, McConnell's been the Sheriff of Nottingham. Mind, I don't disagree that Trump may well react that way. Upside to McConnell's statement: it makes the AGs and Congressmen who signed onto that vacuous lawsuit look that much worse. It should also put a dampener on any shenanigans in Congress after the new year, and seating the new Congress. Will it stop the push that the election was stolen? Nope. It won't slow down. All ya gotta do is turn the argument a bit...well, damn, we lost. But see? We have to change the laws to protect the integrity of the process!! We have to coordinate so this Can Never Happen Again!!! Kick off the 2024 campaign, and start a major Retake Congress! movement for 2022. KEEP THOSE DOLLARS ROLLING IN, FOLKS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 15, 2020 Report Share Posted December 15, 2020 This does put Republican lawmakers on the hot seat, though. Many have been avoiding saying whether or not they accept that Joe Biden won the election, but now they have to choose a side. Do they publicly align with McConnell and risk enraging Trump and his base of support, which includes many of their voters? Or do they stay loyal to Trump, lose the favor of the czar of their party, and leave themselves open to both public ridicule and accusations of sedition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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