DShomshak Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 https://freakonomics.com/podcast/season-11-episode-41/ Discussion of social scientist's classic book Influence, newly reissued and expanded -- and highly relevant to our discussion of reason, emotion, and politics, because Cialdini's book is about the seven techniques used by everyone from salesmen to despots to manipulate us. These techniques work no matter how smart you think you are, but conscious awareness and wariness might at least give you a chance to resist. Dean Shomshak TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 US White Supremacists arrested at Idaho Gay Pride event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61773358 Nice to catch them before they can do something Black Rose, L. Marcus and Matt the Bruins 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 OTOH there is this: How the Proud Boys gripped the Miami-Dade Republican Party The headline is as usual sensationalized, but the gist of it is that at least half a dozen current or former members of the Proud Boys have won seats on the Miami-Dade County Republican Executive Committee (out of 125); including two who face charges for participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 12:05 PM, DShomshak said: Disturbingly, the Russian ambassador who recently resigned over the Ukraine invasion claims that many Russian strategic policy people think, or claim to think, that Russia could achieve a quick and easy victor over the US by using nuclear weapons. Just drop a nuke on some small town in the US, and the cowardly Americans will drop to their knees and beg for mercy. The ambassador thinks they're insane. Like unclevlad, I think the ambassador is downplaying the divorce from reality. The US responded to a couple of very prominent buildings being knocked down by all but flattening the country hosting the terrorist training camps of said attack's mastermind (and incidentally invading another completely unrelated country we didn't like while we were riled up). The amount of [crap] we would lose at a hostile nuke detonating on American soil would be like nothing seen in human history. pinecone, Lord Liaden and Black Rose 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Keep in mind, "insane" is just my one-word summary of The Economist's summary reporting the Russian ambassador's statement. He may have expressed himself at greater length and more forcefully. Dean Shomshak Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 3:59 AM, death tribble said: US White Supremacists arrested at Idaho Gay Pride event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61773358 Nice to catch them before they can do something But only because they were careless, and were spotted getting into the truck. That's just stupidity on their part, to do that in the open, in a neighborhood. Let's make 1 tiny tweak: that they kept the gear at a storage facility, and loaded everything there. Odds are, they wouldn't have been spotted...or only by a security camera that wouldn't be able to interpret what was happening. The more grave concern is, this is another case where it wasn't local. 31 people from 11 states overall, only 1 of em from Idaho. So this is too close to Jan. 6th, in my book, with an organized rally with at least regional reach. Idaho only borders 6 states. Parts of Colorado and California aren't too far away. But after that...the Dakotas, Arizona, and New Mexico...and all of those are quite a ways. Coeur D'Alene is also well up the Idaho panhandle, not too far from the Canadian border, so even Salt Lake City to Coeur D'Alene is 700 miles. That is extremely disturbing to me, that they'd have that kind of draw. (NOTE: 2 of em were from St. Louis, MO...that's halfway across the country.) The charge filed at this point is conspiracy to riot. Rioting, under Idaho law, is a felony if more than $500 in damages. 5 years. That should be plausible to prove. Another provision says, if hostages are involved, it's 5 to 20 years. But that probably can't be proven. Under federal law, traveling to incite a riot is enough, and they may separate those from out of state because all they'd need to do, it looks like, is show Quote (1) to incite a riot; or (2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or combined with the interstate travel, and they're guilty. Looks a lot easier to prove. Same 5 year sentence. Not sure if any other charges will be possible. I don't think carrying riot gear or smoke grenades is illegal. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Oh yeah, forgot why I came over here. NYT has a summary of day 2 testimony. The major take: Trump was told, repeatedly that any claim of election fraud was baseless; this included Barr. A characterization from Trump's campaign manager is also quite the zinger. There were 2 'teams' offering their points of view. Tean Normal was "no it wasn't stolen." The other team was Team Rudy. Potentially the biggest reveal...there was never an "election defense fund." The money went straight into a PAC. From there, it was used in whatever way they felt. Given that donations to a PAC are rather loosely regulated anyway...it's likely there's no crimes here. But some of those uses certainly looked like nest-feathering. Some Trump supporters might not appreciate that. (Granted, many may not care.) Matt the Bruins and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 2:08 PM, Pariah said: To be fair, there are some fairly well educated conservatives out there. They just don't let that education get in the way of their political process. More than a few of them are straight-up grifters. Ranxerox and Pariah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Pulse. Mandalay Bay. Boulder King Soopers. El Paso Wal-Mart. Denver movie theater. That meme is, unfortunately, completely wrong. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 With all the downer stuff in this topic, what it needs, is Muppets. Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Ragitsu said: More than a few of them are straight-up grifters. I wish this were true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ragitsu Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 One of the comments -> Quote It's kinda wild how in my lifetime America went from: "Hey teachers, teach our kids." to "Hey teachers, buy our kids school supplies." to "Hey teachers, kill armed combatants if they show up." This is one topic I refuse to become jaded about; we must consistently push back against the normalization of prison schools. Matt the Bruins and Black Rose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 According to Ziprecruiter, the average public schoolteacher salary in Ohio is $42,000 per year. Cops there average $45,000/year fwiw. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 I cannot even begin to contemplate the level of tension that will exist in faculty lounges when some of the teachers are packing. How many teachers...particularly women but certainly many men...will resign, because their stress level *from their fellow teachers* is now untenable? I don't care about money for wellness. IT WON'T HELP. Not when every time they step into a break room, they FREAK OUT because there's *#%@#$ GUNS in there. This is on top of bad pay, terrible hours, and immense stress from a zillion other aspects of the job. This isn't gonna just backfire, it's gonna bonfire. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 hours ago, Old Man said: According to Ziprecruiter, the average public schoolteacher salary in Ohio is $42,000 per year. Cops there average $45,000/year fwiw. Cops are practically worshipped in my neighborhood. Even after they repealed the law where cops working in Cleveland had to live in Cleveland. Once that was gone, all the cops that could (like my former next door neighbor) fled to richer, whiter pastures. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 GOP commission refuses to certify New Mexico primary vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 That's part of the poison Trump spewed that will be plaguing the United States for years to come. Hopefully the Jan.6 commission can drain some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 Jan. 6 panel releases new surveillance video of tour given on eve of riot Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 Not to distract from the treason hearings, but American Muckrakers PAC (which found the... explicit video of Madison Cawthorn) has now issued some interesting information about Lauren Boebert. - Worked as an unlicensed escort off sugardaddymeet.com (these photos are online) - Two abortions - Met Ted Cruz while working as an escort for a Koch family member - Received $136,000 in political donations from Cruz (this is by far the highest donation he has been known to make to anyone) - Married a known sex offender - Said sex offender now makes $500,000/year as an "oil and gas consultant" (see "Koch", above) - There's more in the press releases. Press releases here: Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 There's nothing wrong with sex work/prostitution. Unless she is opposed to abortion access (I don't keep up with the Joneses, so I don't know anything about her), why does it matter that she had abortions? Also, if someone pays their debt to society, are they supposed to be in the poorhouse for the remainder of their life? The Koch affiliation...that is shady as hell, though. Ditto for the legal bribery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Ragitsu said: There's nothing wrong with sex work/prostitution. Unless she is opposed to abortion access (I don't keep up with the Joneses, so I don't know anything about her), why does it matter that she had abortions? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 Boebert is very vocally opposed to abortions. And has been pushing the Republicans' "traditional Christian family values" line. But hypocrisy has become par for the course in today's GOP. If these allegations are well founded -- and the American Muckrakers PAC has a good track record with their research -- I suppose it should come as no shock that one way or another, Lauren Boebert has been screwing Americans for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 16, 2022 Report Share Posted June 16, 2022 True or not, a direct effect of this is to continue dragging American politics deeper and deeper into the cesspool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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