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I know what the Navy does. The Navy also doesn't have vessels as large as most starships and I was trying to give suggestions on how you keep a civilian crew busy as well as a military crew on a giant space frisbee in a shoddily put together universe with poor continuity and counter-acting ideas of what society looks like any given story arc.

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We had plenty of civilian contractors, when we would come out of yard periods on the Enterprise CVN-65, and even more on a preform. Like when I was on the Stennis. 

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On 3/4/2018 at 5:49 PM, ghost-angel said:

I know what the Navy does. The Navy also doesn't have vessels as large as most starships and I was trying to give suggestions on how you keep a civilian crew busy as well as a military crew on a giant space frisbee in a shoddily put together universe with poor continuity and counter-acting ideas of what society looks like any given story arc.

erp...  My last cruise ( Nimitz class carrier)we had 6000+ embarked between ship company, the air wing and other assorteds.  A Wasp class LHD has a compliment of 1200 with 1850+ Marines.  The Galaxy class crew is only few over 1000, though they can double it for and emergency.  Trek ships are small compared to surface warships.  Of course one is fiction and the real ones don't need to make air and gravity 😉

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Given the size differences - all the information on modern US Warship crew complements adds to this discussion is that either 1) the ST writers have woefully underestimated the amount of crew needed to work that ship or 2) The future is pretty hyper-automated, and maintenance free.

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6 minutes ago, ghost-angel said:

Given the size differences - all the information on modern US Warship crew complements adds to this discussion is that either 1) the ST writers have woefully underestimated the amount of crew needed to work that ship or 2) The future is pretty hyper-automated, and maintenance free.

 

Odd, it was in response to your statement of self proclaimed expertise, I guess it didn't meet the narrative so it will be dismissed.

 

Anyway, it is fiction, so have fun and enjoy. 

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I never claimed expertise, just knowledge. People can have knowledge without claiming expertise...

 

I also (apparently wrongly) assumed that ST ships had a relatively similar sized crew ratio compared to modern warships, and I know crew have cleaning stations to keep the ship clean; I was suggesting extending that to the civilian portion - but apparently if I don't say something with an overly intense level of near hyperbolic precision comprehension just gets lost.. (the implication was that since they never actually showed anyone doing the cleaning, it could be civilian, crew, or both, with stations).

 

After looking up on various ST wikis the complement of the Enterprise D (just chose the most known one) and the size vs literally any modern warship, the crew is of comparable or significantly smaller size for a ship that is at least an order of magnitude larger - so either it is automated, or the tiny number of crew clean an inordinately large amount of space, or have civilian help (as per the question asked).

 

I suppose we can get back to the argument of wether the Federation is civilian, military, or run by clowns who can't do either.

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There's this nugget of (half-remembered?) information nestled in my head that tells me Picard outright stated that "the ship cleans itself".

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On 4/1/2018 at 6:47 PM, massey said:

In "Up the Long Ladder" (the episode with the drunken Irish people), somebody mentions that the ship has a self-cleaning function when the colonists set a fire in the shuttle bay.

 

That must come in very handy on the holodeck.

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On 3/26/2018 at 3:51 PM, ghost-angel said:

Given the size differences - all the information on modern US Warship crew complements adds to this discussion is that either 1) the ST writers have woefully underestimated the amount of crew needed to work that ship or 2) The future is pretty hyper-automated, and maintenance free.

 

We know the answer is 2), but just to pile on, the 14000-ton Zumwalt class "destroyer" has a complement of 147.  That's compared to the (official) complement of 5600 for the 100000-ton Stennis, or 2800 for the 45000-ton Iowa.

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Who else is he going to impress whenever he executes the Picard Maneuver? Those under his chain of command (Starfleet personnel, in other words) are duty bound to smile and nod. Civilians aren't beholden to the same code of conduct; they're free to be frank.

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Laundry 

housekeeping

food prep

social event coordinator 

chaplain

nurses and paramedics 

many specialist doctors might not be commissioned officers or even fleet

technicians, repairmen,  and mechanics (especially for damage control after a battle)

science specialists for certain missions 

first contact specialists

barber/stylist

spies

Children’s teachers

Teachers for continuing education for adults. It could be cross-training in other aspects of starship operation. Or it could be pottery, painting, history, or anything else a college might offer. There’s a limited number of places to go inside a starship and a limited number of people to interact with. Keeping people busy in their off hours would be a challenge on long missions.

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