Christopher R Taylor Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 Quote You mean you think there's another painting behind the painting that was behind the painting? What story does that one tell? Maybe it was painted over because it was just nonsense meant to make Odin seem intimidating. Maybe Hela took over the court a while and had it commissioned and Odin had it painted over. All I know is, there's no reason to just assume this psychotic murderess is the voice of truth and reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 Her story has the ring of truth to it, which is enough for me I guess. All your "maybes" are simply too speculative to be compelling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Yeah the bulk of her argument is a painting on a roof, Technically that’s a painting on the ceiling Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 The real truth is usually somewhere in between two perspectives in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 Her story has the ring of truth to it, which is enough for me I guess. Its a mix for me. Odin, in the mythology, isn't as heroic, noble, and wise a figure as he is in Marvel comics. He killed his own father, for example, to take power. So what she describes Marvel like I could easily see as part of the story. But in the marvel universe, he's so noble and good that it felt contrived and forced, and there's nothing at all about Hela to give her credence or plausibility. She's evil and cruel and heartless, why wouldn't she lie just to stick the knife in Thor's heart given her attitude toward him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: But in the marvel universe, he's so noble and good that it felt contrived and forced, and there's nothing at all about Hela to give her credence or plausibility. She's evil and cruel and heartless, why wouldn't she lie just to stick the knife in Thor's heart given her attitude toward him? Odin having a "secret past" in which he was ambitious and ruthless has more dramatic potential than the version of him in which he was always wise and benign. It provides a more richly layered history for the MCU. And it creates an intriguing mystery around the question of just what precipitated his change of heart (for instance, could it be tied to the Infinity stones in some way?). The reason you have Hela expose this truth is precisely because Thor, and by extension the audience, will distrust her and want to reject it. This is exactly the sort of emotional conflict writers love to create both for their characters and for their readers/viewers. Look, it didn't make any sense that Darth Vader was Luke's father either, especially since it openly contradicted Obi Wan's statements from the first movie, but that revelation (also delivered by the villain) has become iconic and accepted as brilliant storytelling. shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 Maybe Hela colored those pictures in kind-asgard-en, and the ceiling is Odin's refrigerator? Christopher R Taylor, Matt the Bruins, BoloOfEarth and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 I like the theory. It adds texture and depth to the MCU and the character of Odin. Also, over billions of years, Thanos can't be the first being to try to unite the stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 He wasn't. Guardians 1 made it clear there were other beings who tried to harness the combined Infinity, but they couldn't handle that much power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Infinity War posed to cross $2 Billion. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=marvel0518.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 'Avengers: Infinity War' Has Passed the $2 Billion Milestone https://mcuexchange.com/avengers-2-billion-box-office/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 To the surprise of absolutely no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 Hey, this double posting thing is fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Disney Sweetens Fox Offer to $71 Billion, Outbidding Comcast https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/fox-agrees-to-sweetened-bid-from-disney-dealing-blow-to-comcast looks like it might be over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I was hoping Comcast would win that, because it would create competition in the marvel cinematic universe rather than complacency and monopoly. Does it really do consumers benefit to have Star Wars, Disney, and MCU all owned by the same guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 It does make one big fat juicy target out of all of them. One of the previews before Incredibles 2 made it clear that Vanellope Von Schweetz is a Disney princess, along with Shuri and Leia Organa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I see plenty of hand-wringing over the fear of monopolies and pearl-clutching over the evils of giant corporations scattered throughout the Internet, but I guess I can't be bothered to fret over this stuff. So far, Disney's acquisition strategy has failed to have any meaningfully negative impact on my life. Sure, the latest Star Wars movies are a mixed bag overall, but George Lucas had completely lost it when it came to competent storytelling and wasn't doing his franchise any favors either, so I don't see that as having gone anywhere but up despite the recent stumbling. Disney may have more power in the entertainment space than any one company has ever enjoyed--something that clearly scares some folks--but the opportunity to bring the Fantastic Four and all the mutants back home is worth it to me. Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Yeah a lot of people shrug at entertainment becoming a smaller and smaller group of mega corporations. That's because they've not thought through what it means to have so little competition in entertainment, like its insignificant or not any bearing on our lives, that it has no power to sway or direct culture and politics, beliefs, and mores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 If it means we finally get a decent Fantastic Four movie, then they can monopolize away as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Finally official now? The Walt Disney Company Signs Amended Acquisition Agreement To Acquire Twenty-First Century Fox, Inc., For $71.3 Billion In Cash And Stock - The Walt Disney Company - www.thewaltdisneycompany.comhttps://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-signs-amended-acquisition-agreement-to-acquire-twenty-first-century-fox-inc-for-71-3-billion-in-cash-and-stock/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Nothing is "final" until the Fox shareholder meeting convenes to approve the deal, which was pushed from its original July 10 date to "later". This gives Comcast an opportunity to re-bid. There is still all the regulatory stuff to get through, but the Disney-Fox deal has a 6 month head start on all that, whereas a Comcast deal would have to start from scratch, delaying the sale for at least another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 The way I see it, there are far bigger problems with show business than the rise of media conglomerates. For instance, the fact that an IP holder can legally sign over their creations in such a way that it is nearly impossible to get them back short of totally consuming the licensee (as we are seeing with Fox). The movie business in general is completely bonkers and profoundly flawed as a business model. I think the future of entertainment would benefit far more from a complete overhaul/reform of the way movies are financed, made, and distributed than by pressing the government to knock companies like Disney off their acquisition tracks. Christopher R Taylor and Starlord 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zslane Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Nobody reacts like that around here. LA audiences are "too cool for school" for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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