dark champions was...

[Ninja-Bear 1,079]

On 7/25/2018 at 11:56 AM, Lord Liaden said:

 

Perhaps, but not a non-super exclusion. In 4E the Harbinger of Justice could summon guns from a pocket dimension. Several members of the Card Shark organization had low-level superhuman abilities, like One-Eyed Jack and Deadman's Hand. Carnivore was a gene-spliced human-animal hybrid. And so on.

That was my gripe. Look at the build suggestion for Heroes. Any Powers was technological not pure super powers. Yet he had villains that broke that rule. 

[Lucius 2,955]

On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 1:38 PM, zslane said:

Indeed. To my mind it is more about genre and tone (morally gray comic book vigilantes) than power level. The Six Million Dollar Man, the Bionic Woman, the A-Team, Walker Texas Ranger, James Bond, Mission Impossible, etc. those are all firmly planted in the action adventure genre, with little-to-no gray area between heroes and villains, and so they don't really fit the core "Dark Champions" charter. They belong in an Action Hero genre book instead, IMO.

 

I would put the A Team in the Saturday Morning Cartoon genre

 

Lucius Alexander

 

I would put a palindromedary in a tagline

[GM_Champion 7]

Dark Champions is on TV right now - it's called Arrow. [rimshot]

[Scott Ruggels 636]

Dark Champions suppliments were some of my first cover art, right after i did stuff for a Teenagers From Outer Space cover

 

Hudson City Blues. Cover art, by me)

(found it while putting  my Vast hero collection up on the shelf.

 

[Jayzon 22]

On 7/4/2019 at 1:49 AM, A.T.R.A. Mark II said:

Dark Champions is on TV right now - it's called Arrow. [rimshot]

 

Definitely the example I will use to explain the difference between a vigilante and a superhero: "Vigilantes are basically like Arrow, and superheros are more like Flash..."

[Scott Ruggels 636]

On 7/7/2019 at 2:27 AM, Jayzon said:

 

Definitely the example I will use to explain the difference between a vigilante and a superhero: "Vigilantes are basically like Arrow, and superheros are more like Flash..."

Or the Difference between Jessica Jones, and Hellcat in the final Season of Jessica Jones.  Both use Similar methods, but one shows restraint now, and the other is confident in their own judgement.

[Duke Bushido 1,777]

Scott, let me take just a moment to interrupt this thread to say:

 

You, Sir, are extremely talented.  digital painting be _damned_, you've got the good stuff:  you can draw, and do so extremely well!

 

[Scott Ruggels 636]

...all that 90's hatching....  and a short deadline.... madness.

[Alverant 17]

I ran a Dark Champions campaign once that fizzled out because while I was picturing something like Batman the Animated Series several of my players made characters too dark for Watchmen.

[ScrewySquirrel 25]

Dark Champions seems to belong to that 90s-Anti-Hero era more than anything else.  The Rob Liefeld staple of a guy with a buzzcut, 5-o'clock shadow, and angry scowl, heavily muscled arms and 6-pack abs, toting an arsenal of guns while dressed in black and/or camo.  He'll kill the 'villains' but isn't really any better than they are.  The Punisher is the first and best-known example -- and he was supposed to be a Spiderman  villain.  In the 90s (and look at that 1993 publication date!) that was considered Edgy and "mature" when it was really just nihilistic.   Lobo was created as a parody of them, Deadpool started as one, but quickly became the insane 4th-wall destroying clown that made him stand out.

 

The expansion to cover action heroes is a good thing, IMHO. Without it, it would be nigh useless

[Christopher R Taylor 3,958]

I think there's still room for vigilante games and Dark Champions type genre but yeah making it a broader setting and genre would be great.  I mean some of Schwarzenegger's films he was basically superheroic in

[Thumper 43]

On 7/22/2018 at 9:34 AM, zslane said:

...it should have been re-branded as Action Hero long ago.

I third this, as long as you spell it Action HERO. The name Dark Champions stinks of the Dork Age of Comics.  It's very edgelordy, and Action HERO  better sums up what Dark Champions exceeds at, is an awesome pun, and brings it in line with Pulp HERO, Fantasy HERO, Star HERO, and Post-Apocalyptic HERO.

 

I half think Champions should be renamed Super HERO, but I know that would never fly with the HERO diehards.

[Scott Ruggels 636]

1 hour ago, Thumper said:

I third this, as long as you spell it Action HERO. The name Dark Champions stinks of the Dork Age of Comics.  It's very edgelordy, and Action HERO  better sums up what Dark Champions exceeds at, is an awesome pun, and brings it in line with Pulp HERO, Fantasy HERO, Star HERO, and Post-Apocalyptic HERO.

 

I half think Champions should be renamed Super HERO, but I know that would never fly with the HERO diehards.

Champions was originally called "Superhero" until  it was discovered that Marvel and DC hjointly own the word, which is why "in print"  people with powers and abilities are not referred to as Superheroes, unless they are talking abut marvel and DC characters, so after about a year of playtesting it was renamed Champions.

[Thumper 43]

3 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said:

Marvel and DC jointly own the word

Copyright laws are broke as ....

[Christopher R Taylor 3,958]

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I half think Champions should be renamed Super HERO, but I know that would never fly with the HERO diehards.

 

I take the opposite approach, I think all the other products should be called x Champions.  Star Champions.  Western Champions.  Fantasy Champions.