Hyper-Man Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 These are the Defenders: HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I've got one episode of Defenders left. I like it so far, but it has really pointed out how much more interesting a character Matt Murdoch is versus Danny Rand. By far, the most compelling characters in Iron Fist were Ward and Dad Meachum. It's too bad they couldn't reappear here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Ward did have a good character arc in season 1 of Iron Fist. Without that, the season would have been much less worth watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 When you hear there's going to be a series about The Immortal Iron Fist, you don't expect to get The Ward Meachum Story. Marvel simply told the wrong story. Period. The fact that it had a very good actor playing (what should have been) a relatively minor secondary role does not change that one bit. Nolgroth and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 As far as the overall story, I enjoyed it. I still think the best character, in terms of classical character growth cycle, was Ward. He was a much more interesting character than Danny, which is part of the problem. Danny should have been the spotlight character.... When you hear there's going to be a series about The Immortal Iron Fist, you don't expect to get The Ward Meachum Story. Marvel simply told the wrong story. Period. The fact that it had a very good actor playing (what should have been) a relatively minor secondary role does not change that one bit. I think we are in agreement there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 Funny thing about the series, Danny always came across as believing his martial prowess was what it is in the comic. Just the choreography didn't live up to it, and i will always wonder about that. Was it due to the Choreogropher, time or money that it came across that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 I think It's the choreography combined with the fact that the actor himself has said that he fairly frequently didn't feel he was given enough time / takes to get it down. It's probably why he's a 'better' fighter in the Defenders - practice and a much higher demand on the choreography all around. Problem with that is since it's the same choreography team and the actors are not martial artists outside of the show that he and Daredevil's fighting styles look the same and are performed at about the same level of competence - so there's not much to separate them besides brawler with a glowing fist and brawler with super hearing. I did like that Jessica basically sucked in every fight - contributing mostly with strategic sucker punches or making people who grabbed her have a very bad day (both very much in show-character) - she's an actual untrained brawler with not much more than normal human durability in the show - so the 'Am I the only one left in the city who doesn't know Karate?' line held true. Maybe Matt or Danny will give her a few pointers before Jessica Jones season 2 / Defenders season 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this? "This was like announcing you’re going to release a big new action spectacle on IMAX theaters, then screening an unreleased episode of Manimal, but without the quality writing." Ouch. Just, seriously, ouch. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 You're welcome. He was the best Nick Fury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 They should have him show up in the movies as the current Fury's dad. massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Looks like Marvel is doing the usual "costume must be DARK so kidz will think its KEWL" route with the Wasp: This costume was orders of magnitude better: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Agree brighter is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Yeah she looks real waspy in a solid black outfit. I mean there are some black wasps out there, but they're generally known for bright colors and contrast. At least put some more red in there for a tarantula hawk look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 While I agree that the bright colors look better -- this is based on comic books, after all -- this palette is consistent with Hope van Dyne's personality as established in Ant Man. She wouldn't go for bright-and-flashy. Maybe she'll loosen up with time. But can we agree Evangeline Lilly makes anything look good? bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I seriously doubt the choice to go dark with the costume had anything whatever to do with Hope's personality in the comics. I will, however, agree with that second observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The big problem Marvel has is that it doesn't get branding in its films very well. Spider-Man is incredibly distinctive and easy to remember; he's also someone you can cosplay, and sell pajamas patterned after. Iron man, same deal. Thor... kinda, and after that? Which Cap suit do you wear, or will it be the new bland Nomad suit? The trick to making a distinctive, memorable brand is having something people can identify with a glance. They keep changing Spider-Man, but at least he's basically the same each time so it works with him. The rest kind of disappear in a blend of rubber and leather suits. That's just not smart or effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The X-Men are a good example of that. The first generation all wore the same navy-and-yellow uniforms, and so there was a single team identity, but the individual heroes did not stand out much (apart from one of them having wings, I suppose). Fast foward to the Byrne/Clairmont era when each member got a unique costume, and all of a sudden they became iconic. Even Wolverine with his "silly" yellow spandex became iconic. In fact, he's the most iconic of them all, yet the movies continue to deride that iconic look all in the name of "realism". Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I seriously doubt the choice to go dark with the costume had anything whatever to do with Hope's personality in the comics. No, but it's consistent with her personality in the Ant-Man movie. This is not Janet "6 Costume Changes A Month" Van Dyne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Ah, I didn't grok the fact that LL was referring to the movie, but it makes more sense that he was, now that you mention it. I would like to see Hollywood reject the tedious cinematic stereotype that anything "serious" must be color-coded black (and/or with very, very dark colors). It is only because of this unimaginative encoding that Hope's no-nonsense demeanor gets shackled to a black costume. In my view, the more colorful costume is far more interesting, and no less appropriate/congruent for her personality than the ugly, new one. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The dark costume = serious is probably a remnant of "The Batman Effect". Lord Liaden and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The X-Men are a good example of that. The first generation all wore the same navy-and-yellow uniforms, and so there was a single team identity, but the individual heroes did not stand out much (apart from one of them having wings, I suppose). Fast foward to the Byrne/Clairmont era when each member got a unique costume, and all of a sudden they became iconic. Even Wolverine with his "silly" yellow spandex became iconic. In fact, he's the most iconic of them all, yet the movies continue to deride that iconic look all in the name of "realism". We've been over this before, but I've stated earlier that the bright colors in four-color comics don't necessarily play well in live action. (I suspect this is because backgrounds in four-color comics are also four-color.) Even the "colorful" version of the Wasp costume pictured here is navy and gold, not blue! and yellow! I do agree that the black costume is excessively black, however. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 I suspect this is because backgrounds in four-color comics are also four-color. Implying that backgrounds/environments in movies can't be "four-color" (i.e., vibrant and full of color). Well, I see that as a failure of production design, not an intrinsic limitation of the medium. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sure, but at that point you're talking about either massive post-production to oversaturate color, if not rendering every background in CGI. It's hard to think of ways to make these films more expensive to make, but that's probably one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 I'd offer the suggestion that there's no real way to know if more colorful, distinctive, and specific designs work in a movie or not since nobody is trying to do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Wasn't the gold suit her mother's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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